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post #21 of 123
6/2/12 at 2:49pm
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Gotcha. I think I'll go with the sniper series then.

Next decision: what ssd to get

Currently deciding between the Crucial M4 128gb and the Plextor M3 128gb (on sale at newegg for $99 after rebate)

Edit: Just ordered the 128gb Plextor M3 from Newegg smile.gif

Now I have to decide between the Asus V Pro and the Gigabyte UD5H w/ wifi. Really leaning towards Gigabyte.
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post #22 of 123
6/3/12 at 10:15am
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Been reading around about GPU's and had a few questions.

Of what significance is the pcb? Isn't that just the material the actual card is made out of? What difference is there if it's a gtx670 vs gtx680 pcb (looking at the EVGA GTX670 ftw). And with those differences what improvement should be expected with a custom pcb? (looking at the original card i had listed: Gigabyte GTX670).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125423
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post #23 of 123
6/3/12 at 1:57pm
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Been reading around about GPU's and had a few questions.
Of what significance is the pcb? Isn't that just the material the actual card is made out of? What difference is there if it's a gtx670 vs gtx680 pcb (looking at the EVGA GTX670 ftw). And with those differences what improvement should be expected with a custom pcb? (looking at the original card i had listed: Gigabyte GTX670).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125423

Between a GTX 670 and GTX 680, you're not just changing the pcb, you're changing the GPU along with other things: the GTX 680 is a higher performance card than the 670. Within the same GPU, though you do have some different options like more or less RAM, different types of HSF, etc. For example, some cards will pump the GPU heat out of your case, some will dump it in. There are also different overclocks preset on some of them (faster/slower GPU/RAM).

EVGA is kind of the de facto Nvidia retailer, but most certainly not the only one. Some of the alternatives offer more output options, better HSF, better clock speeds, better budget, etc. The part where things really get tricky with a pcb is if you plan to replace the default HSF with your after-market. Different pcbs will require a different custom HSF design: not always though.
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post #24 of 123
6/3/12 at 2:26pm
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Between a GTX 670 and GTX 680, you're not just changing the pcb, you're changing the GPU along with other things: the GTX 680 is a higher performance card than the 670. Within the same GPU, though you do have some different options like more or less RAM, different types of HSF, etc. For example, some cards will pump the GPU heat out of your case, some will dump it in. There are also different overclocks preset on some of them (faster/slower GPU/RAM).
EVGA is kind of the de facto Nvidia retailer, but most certainly not the only one. Some of the alternatives offer more output options, better HSF, better clock speeds, better budget, etc. The part where things really get tricky with a pcb is if you plan to replace the default HSF with your after-market. Different pcbs will require a different custom HSF design: not always though.

O.o I thought those were both GTX670s
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6/3/12 at 2:34pm
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O.o I thought those were both GTX670s

Those are both 670s. Custom pcb's just allow for more components on the board or different layouts. This could be in the form of more power phases, more ram, etc. The standard pcb for a 670 is short because that's all nvidia determined they needed for the 670 gpu. AIB's take the gpu and can build custom pcb's around it to give better performance or more options.
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post #26 of 123
6/3/12 at 2:41pm
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Those are both 670s. Custom pcb's just allow for more components on the board or different layouts. This could be in the form of more power phases, more ram, etc. The standard pcb for a 670 is short because that's all nvidia determined they needed for the 670 gpu. AIB's take the gpu and can build custom pcb's around it to give better performance or more options.
Or less options and lower quality components to make budget models. Just make sure you pay attention and check reviews/forums if you're going to go with a 'powered-by' custom board, there are a few that change things up enough to require that you use their own modified drivers to run properly (though not many) .
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6/3/12 at 3:20pm
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Those are both 670s. Custom pcb's just allow for more components on the board or different layouts. This could be in the form of more power phases, more ram, etc. The standard pcb for a 670 is short because that's all nvidia determined they needed for the 670 gpu. AIB's take the gpu and can build custom pcb's around it to give better performance or more options.

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Or less options and lower quality components to make budget models. Just make sure you pay attention and check reviews/forums if you're going to go with a 'powered-by' custom board, there are a few that change things up enough to require that you use their own modified drivers to run properly (though not many) .

Thank you for clarifying that for me. I was a little confused. So out of those two, which pcb is better? Or rather, what card would you recommend?
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post #28 of 123
6/3/12 at 3:33pm
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Thank you for clarifying that for me. I was a little confused. So out of those two, which pcb is better? Or rather, what card would you recommend?
EVGA. I'm sure they're fine, but I've had some bad experience with Gigabyte in the past in terms of QC and customer service; plus the EVGA is slightly faster than the Gigabyte at stock.
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post #29 of 123
6/4/12 at 6:28pm
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Been reading about Gigabyte vs EVGA and one of the things that was mentioned was:
"4) Gigabyte chose to go with a 5 phase PWM as opposed to the 4 phase reference PWM. This will allow the board to more reach higher overclocks." What does this mean? What's a PWM Phase? And what makes 5 of them better than 4?

Another thing i was wondering about was:
"5) Gigabyte has gone with a 8pin + 6pin power configuration vs. the reference 6pin + 6pin. This should help stabilize overclocks at higher frequencies."
If i understand correctly, this just allows more power to be given to the gpu for higher clocks?
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6/5/12 at 12:24pm
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