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6/7/12 at 9:35pm
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No software relies on the page file. Its a technology developed by Microsoft to push inactive programs in the background, to a temporary place on your hard drive "page file" so it can free up memory for active applications. Disabling it just means everything resides in memory where it belongs, it also means switching from application to application will be much quicker. Since it doesn't have to access slow mechanical hard drive for information that's suppose to be stored in memory. If you ever used linux you would notice it doesn't use any swap until your physical memory is saturated (the way its suppose to). Something Microsoft has yet to perfect, its essentially there for people who exceed their memory limits (older machines). I've ran game servers on my PC that use all 4GB of my memory and over 2GB of my page file. Without that page file it would never been even possible. But for people with 12GB+ its something you wont ever need. Extra hard drive cycles for no reason.

Don't forget bug reports. nobody use's those.
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6/7/12 at 9:44pm
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Don't forget bug reports. nobody use's those.
If your referring to Error Reporting, then that resides in physical memory also. When its critical it will just create a memory dump.
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6/7/12 at 10:31pm
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You're just not using software that has given you any problems because if it, that's all.
I don't know why people encounter software that needs it, if that's the case and it's not just some weird anomaly. But I play a lot of games and have used plenty of software too.
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6/8/12 at 12:16am
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I don't know why people encounter software that needs it, if that's the case and it's not just some weird anomaly. But I play a lot of games and have used plenty of software too.

There is tons of stuff that get's put into the pagefile. Nothing is actually "designed" to run though the page file. First off, you can choose what your Page.File is used fore under virtual memory settings. There are two in windows7. *Enhance performance for programs* and *enhance performance for background service's*.

If you are running with 4 GB of RAM or less you should be using the pagefile to assist in background applications. this will allow your virus protection to offload, along with anything else you have in your "system tray" to the page file. Not just programs that you "minimize" but anything running that you don't need NOW will be stored there.

In the event of having more than 4 GB of RAM you should use your Page.File to optimize current running programs. There are too many details involved with what windows dose with the page.file in each setting (could start a thread about it).
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6/8/12 at 1:24am
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There is tons of stuff that get's put into the pagefile. Nothing is actually "designed" to run though the page file. First off, you can choose what your Page.File is used fore under virtual memory settings. There are two in windows7. *Enhance performance for programs* and *enhance performance for background service's*.

If you are running with 4 GB of RAM or less you should be using the pagefile to assist in background applications. this will allow your virus protection to offload, along with anything else you have in your "system tray" to the page file. Not just programs that you "minimize" but anything running that you don't need NOW will be stored there.

In the event of having more than 4 GB of RAM you should use your Page.File to optimize current running programs. There are too many details involved with what windows dose with the page.file in each setting (could start a thread about it).
Ah I see. Thanks for the info thumb.gif
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6/8/12 at 1:27am
http://www.tweakhound.com/2011/10/10/the-windows-7-pagefile-and-running-without-one/

That's the best answer that you'll probably ever get about page files and whether or not to use one.

/enough about page files.

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I don't know why people encounter software that needs it, if that's the case and it's not just some weird anomaly. But I play a lot of games and have used plenty of software too.

There is tons of stuff that get's put into the pagefile. Nothing is actually "designed" to run though the page file. First off, you can choose what your Page.File is used fore under virtual memory settings. There are two in windows7. *Enhance performance for programs* and *enhance performance for background service's*.

If you are running with 4 GB of RAM or less you should be using the pagefile to assist in background applications. this will allow your virus protection to offload, along with anything else you have in your "system tray" to the page file. Not just programs that you "minimize" but anything running that you don't need NOW will be stored there.

In the event of having more than 4 GB of RAM you should use your Page.File to optimize current running programs. There are too many details involved with what windows dose with the page.file in each setting (could start a thread about it).

It's been that way since at least XP (that I know of), probably even Windows 2K and before possibly.
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6/8/12 at 1:28am
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6/8/12 at 3:48pm
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You're just not using software that has given you any problems because if it, that's all.

The amount of software that actually depends on a page file being there is very, very small. Most of the time when you hear people saying to keep even just a small page file it's purely because they don't know if you're running 8GB RAM or 8MB, and obviously you'd need a PF with 8MB. wink.gif

The only problem I have with it is that MS, for some reason only known to them, utilizes the page file before the RAM is full; I can understand putting background/tasks that don't need low memory latency on the HDD before something that actually does need RAMs speed but at the very least wait until all of the RAM is full first; a machine with one or two HDDs (ie. >90% of desktops/laptops) would be noticeably faster when you're using say, 3.5GB/4GB RAM and 0B/4GB PF rather than 2GB/4GB RAM and 1.5GB/4GB PF; while benchmarks don't show it, it is common sense to really work it out as the most limiting thing in most PCs is the HDD, adding additional tasks to it is only going to make everything slower; although I'd wager there's no appreciable difference for SSD users.
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