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Hi Deders,

First, welcome to OCN, I see this is your first post!

What kind of case do you have and how is it setup for airflow/ventilation? I think the asus cooler is supposed to be pretty effective so having the card getting that hot at max fans... makes me wonder about the case.

protip: make a sig and put some rig info in it smile.gif

About the kbt tool... i don't know squat about that myself.
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I did read thru the other posts. I think its very odd that your card crashes so specifically only on that game if OC'd at all. I just wanted to clarify that BF3 is not looking at gpu clock rates and intentionally crashing if it sees a non-stock value.

Cool... Yeah I'm not saying the game is using a pre-coded decision to crash or stop working.

I'm saying that the most likely cause is a limitation with the implementation of DX11 within the code. Potentially, the drivers that nVidia creates are the main culprit. I say that because of the frequency of the beta releases in recent months. Just a TON of problems for people (not really for me, outside of BF3) all over. It could be the mix of Asus non reference and the drivers. Who really could know besides Asus and nVidia? Even then, the team would need time to test this game specifically across many popular motherboards and combos. That ain't gonna happen.

I'm gonna sell these puppies if I get the same results under BF4.

One thing I haven't tried, mostly because of the principle if the use issue, is using DX10 instead. I think that's an option with the game.
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I say that because of the frequency of the beta releases in recent months. Just a TON of problems for people (not really for me, outside of BF3) all over.

Nvidia sure has had a bad run of drivers recently. I think it was the convergence of the 700 series with boost2 + greater win8 adoption + win8.1 prerelease + the regular stream of new games that warrant driver optimizations and bug fixes... just too many things piling on at once. Hopefully they'll get most of the problems iron'd out with the 326 final release.
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Nvidia sure has had a bad run of drivers recently. I think it was the convergence of the 700 series with boost2 + greater win8 adoption + win8.1 prerelease + the regular stream of new games that warrant driver optimizations and bug fixes... just too many things piling on at once. Hopefully they'll get most of the problems iron'd out with the 326 final release.

All huge points and true. thumb.gif

But seriously annoying for people in my shoes, non-the-less. sozo.gif
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Hi Deders,

First, welcome to OCN, I see this is your first post!

What kind of case do you have and how is it setup for airflow/ventilation? I think the asus cooler is supposed to be pretty effective so having the card getting that hot at max fans... makes me wonder about the case.

protip: make a sig and put some rig info in it smile.gif

About the kbt tool... i don't know squat about that myself.

Updated my sig, as you can now see I have a Nanoxia Deep Silence One which has plenty of space and good airflow, enough to mean that when running Furmark alongside Prime64, it only raises my CPU temp ever so slighly on a hot day (over just running Prime64 alone).

The case comes with 2 filtered intake front fans a single rear outake fan. I've added a side fan (filtered) to blow cool air over the graphics card which makes all the difference in modern games now i've overvolted. I chose to have it blowing inwards to ensure positive pressure so dust wouldn't be attracted through the non filtered holes in the case.

Before I overvolted the side fan wasn't neccesary at all and temps were well below 70c. I am thinking of re-applying paste, last time I used MX4 it dropped my CPU load temps by 10c over AS5 at load, it also made my old EVGA 560TI much quieter.

But I was hoping that someone might have found the secret to customising the throttle as Nvidia have seemed to have allowed significantly more heat before throttling on there 7xx series cards.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7103/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review/17

"With the temperature limit raised to 95C, the reference GTX 760 cooler reaches equilibrium at 85C under BF3 and 87C under FurMark. These temperatures are still easily within spec for GK104, but they’re definitely starting to crawl up here. Meanwhile, though it’s not directly measurable the impact of leakage is certainly making itself felt here. If we had cooler temperatures power consumption would at least be marginally lower."

Although after re-reading that it just might be better to apply better thermal paste.

Edit: actually, just cleaning the dust from the side filter has given me 66c @88% (fan speed) instead of 70c @100 in Metro: Last Light.
Edited by Deders - 8/30/13 at 9:37pm
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Another lynnfield user... woohoo smile.gif

I don't know about bios hacking to alter the thermal throttle points, maybe somebody else does.
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Updated my sig, as you can now see I have a Nanoxia Deep Silence
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Edit: actually, just cleaning the dust from the side filter has given me 66c @88% (fan speed) instead of 70c @100 in Metro: Last Light.

That's a neat case. You probably already have, but if you haven't, removing any unused drive cages would probably help.

The silence oriented cases generally sacrifice airflow for that silence, some more than your nanoxia, but still it makes that trade off too. Your dust cleaning got some good improvements! If i were you, i'd experiment some to figure out how much of a difference increasing case airflow could make. Even simple experiments like running it with the case door pulled off to the side a little, or w/o the fan filters, or with the front door swung open might be telling. Depending on what happens, it might be a matter of upgrading some case fans to draw better thru your filtered intakes?
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Another lynnfield user... woohoo smile.gif

I don't know about bios hacking to alter the thermal throttle points, maybe somebody else does.
That's a neat case. You probably already have, but if you haven't, removing any unused drive cages would probably help.

The silence oriented cases generally sacrifice airflow for that silence, some more than your nanoxia, but still it makes that trade off too. Your dust cleaning got some good improvements! If i were you, i'd experiment some to figure out how much of a difference increasing case airflow could make. Even simple experiments like running it with the case door pulled off to the side a little, or w/o the fan filters, or with the front door swung open might be telling. Depending on what happens, it might be a matter of upgrading some case fans to draw better thru your filtered intakes?

I have removed one bay so the CPU has a clear path, but that's not a bad idea actually, It does allow you to place 2 drive cages on the bottom of the case, I might try that instead of having them stacked!

I've also had my eye on these Be-Quiet fans for a while. I bet they'd make a difference.
Edited by Deders - 8/31/13 at 12:17am
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I have removed one bay so the CPU has a clear path, but that's not a bad idea actually, It does allow you to place 2 drive cages on the bottom of the case, I might try that instead of having them stacked!

I've also had my eye on these Be-Quiet fans for a while. I bet they'd make a difference.

I also removed the unused drawers from the cage that i do use to help with airflow (i just have a single drive in it). Those Be-Quiet fans sport some good specs! With filters, you definitely want static pressure and according to their website, those fans make some pressure. GentleTyphoon's are a static pressure favorite on ocn it seems. What kind of fans do you have know?
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I also removed the unused drawers from the cage that i do use to help with airflow (i just have a single drive in it). Those Be-Quiet fans sport some good specs! With filters, you definitely want static pressure and according to their website, those fans make some pressure. GentleTyphoon's are a static pressure favorite on ocn it seems. What kind of fans do you have know?


Actually the ones I've got look ever so slightly better specced than the Be-quiet ones

"At 14.2 dB(a), the Nanoxia Deep Silence 120 mm (front) fans generate an airflow of 60.1 CFM and a static air pressure of 1.27 mm H2O.
Mounted at the back of the case is a 140 mm fan rotating at roughly 1100 RPM while generating an airflow of 68.5 CFM and a static pressure of 1.08 mm H2O at a noise level of 14.4 dB(a)."

What do you mean by static pressure? Never heard that term before.
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The static pressure measurement relates to how they perform under restriction, mounted to a rad for instance.
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