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Here's a pretty good review of your case which might give you some ideas about how to tweek it for better cooling.
http://www.overclockers.com/nanoxia-deep-silencer-1-case-review

A pair of AP14s in front would probably beat the stock nanoxia fans.
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/051/d1225c12b1ap_detail.html
I'm thinking about replacing my silverstone FN121 intake fans with those to make it both cooler and quieter. Others to consider are noctua and noiseblocker fans, maybe gelid silent wings... lots and lots of fans out there.

You've got the option to have a bottom mounted intake fan too. I bet if you eliminated one of the drive cages, upgraded intake fans, and added a bottom fan, you'd be more than golden smile.gif
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Actually the ones I've got look ever so slightly better specced than the Be-quiet ones

"At 14.2 dB(a), the Nanoxia Deep Silence 120 mm (front) fans generate an airflow of 60.1 CFM and a static air pressure of 1.27 mm H2O.
Mounted at the back of the case is a 140 mm fan rotating at roughly 1100 RPM while generating an airflow of 68.5 CFM and a static pressure of 1.08 mm H2O at a noise level of 14.4 dB(a)."

What do you mean by static pressure? Never heard that term before.

You have to look at comparative reviews to know the truth of the matter with fans. The manufacturer specs are... questionable.

Static pressure is a measure of how hard they can push thru things, not just how much air moves in an open air environment. Radiators are a prime examples... but drive cages, filters, meshes, grills, wire clutter all are things that restrict free airflow too. I think its a measure of the pressure difference the fan can create from one side to the other.
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The static pressure measurement relates to how they perform under restriction, mounted to a rad for instance.
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Hey folks,

I just received my Zotac Geforce 670 AMP, which runs @ 1098/1188 Core/Boost and 6608mhz memory.

It's been crashing in Heaven, but I've noticed 2 things.

a) after crashing the highest reported speed is ALWAYS 70 degrees, so it's almost like the actual throttling is causing the crash (the crash is a black screen, where signal to the TV/Monitor is lost, then it regains signal, and seems to be fine or results in extremely slow FPS, where it seems to throttle down to 750mhz core clock).

b) dropping the core by 100mhz seems to run it stable

c) bumping up the max TDP to 115% and adding 50mv core doesn't seem to help with the crashing.

d) I'm getting the 305% TDP spikes, which apparently is "normal" but it seems not everyone gets them, so is it possibly indicative of an issue?

e) Other than the 305% TDP the average seems to cap off @ 98% or so

f) max mv seems to be 1.1175 according to GPUZ

Has anyone heard of a) being a known issue? where the throttling was causing crashes, or is this an insane coincidence?

Thanks,
post #2773 of 3357
Do you have a fan profile set to help keep the card running cooler? Cooler temps can help stability and also prevent the thermal throttling. You should be set something up with either afterburer or precisionx.

Did you mean 1.175v? That's the max value allowed by stock bios.

The TDP power spikes happen to me too when the card crashes. Its not really using that much power.



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Hey folks,

I just received my Zotac Geforce 670 AMP, which runs @ 1098/1188 Core/Boost and 6608mhz memory.

It's been crashing in Heaven, but I've noticed 2 things.

a) after crashing the highest reported speed is ALWAYS 70 degrees, so it's almost like the actual throttling is causing the crash (the crash is a black screen, where signal to the TV/Monitor is lost, then it regains signal, and seems to be fine or results in extremely slow FPS, where it seems to throttle down to 750mhz core clock).

b) dropping the core by 100mhz seems to run it stable

c) bumping up the max TDP to 115% and adding 50mv core doesn't seem to help with the crashing.

d) I'm getting the 305% TDP spikes, which apparently is "normal" but it seems not everyone gets them, so is it possibly indicative of an issue?

e) Other than the 305% TDP the average seems to cap off @ 98% or so

f) max mv seems to be 1.1175 according to GPUZ

Has anyone heard of a) being a known issue? where the throttling was causing crashes, or is this an insane coincidence?

Thanks,
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Hey, thanks for the reply.

Yeah that's what I meant, 1.175v.

I didn't mess around with custom profiles, because I've noticed micro stuttering when software fan profiles were created, and 70degrees is pretty cool, so for the stock OC, it doesn't seem like it's necessary.

Plus, a card with factory OC, should run fine without crashing with stock fan profiles.

With that said, I'm trying to determine if I have to RMA, or if there's known workarounds/BIOS like the EVGA superclock cards that were going around.
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> Plus, a card with factory OC, should run fine without crashing with stock fan profiles.

You're saying the from-the-factory OC on your card craps out running heaven? Hmmm... you might have reason to RMA?

The default fan profile on the cards really is crap. Realistically, you've got to do something to bump up the fan speeds, especially with an overclocked card. 70c is where the first thermal throttle point is (for better or worse) and the stock fan profile does next to nothing to ensure the card stays under that temp. I've got mine setup to update once-per-second and haven't noticed stutter as a result of that. It can be setup to sample with a longer interval too. At 70c, my fan will run at just shy of 80% speed. The stock profile will maybe run the fan at 55% for those temps.

Before adjusting the fan profile on my card, it'd hit high 70s under load (iirc). Now it usually stays under 65.

Also, if you flash a custom BIOS, i think that probably voids the warranty.

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Hey, thanks for the reply.

Yeah that's what I meant, 1.175v.

I didn't mess around with custom profiles, because I've noticed micro stuttering when software fan profiles were created, and 70degrees is pretty cool, so for the stock OC, it doesn't seem like it's necessary.

Plus, a card with factory OC, should run fine without crashing with stock fan profiles.

With that said, I'm trying to determine if I have to RMA, or if there's known workarounds/BIOS like the EVGA superclock cards that were going around.
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> Plus, a card with factory OC, should run fine without crashing with stock fan profiles.

You're saying the from-the-factory OC on your card craps out running heaven? Hmmm... you might have reason to RMA?

The default fan profile on the cards really is crap. Realistically, you've got to do something to bump up the fan speeds, especially with an overclocked card. 70c is where the first thermal throttle point is (for better or worse) and the stock fan profile does next to nothing to ensure the card stays under that temp. I've got mine setup to update once-per-second and haven't noticed stutter as a result of that. It can be setup to sample with a longer interval too. At 70c, my fan will run at just shy of 80% speed. The stock profile will maybe run the fan at 55% for those temps.

Before adjusting the fan profile on my card, it'd hit high 70s under load (iirc). Now it usually stays under 65.

Also, if you flash a custom BIOS, i think that probably voids the warranty.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying smile.gif The Stock OC is crashing Heaven.

I just found it REALLY odd that everytime, the max recorded temp was 70 degrees (and the 300% TDP bug, raised questions) everytime it would crash.

I'm going to setup a custom profile, or just lock it down at 60% fan speed and see if it crashes.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying smile.gif The Stock OC is crashing Heaven.

I just found it REALLY odd that everytime, the max recorded temp was 70 degrees (and the 300% TDP bug, raised questions) everytime it would crash.

I'm going to setup a custom profile, or just lock it down at 60% fan speed and see if it crashes.

run it with the fan max'd out just to see, 60% might not (probably won't) cut it.
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Nope.

Fan running at 60% temps below 60 degrees, and although it seems it MAY have delayed the issue, it's still crashing. But now max recorded speed is 61 degrees, so, doesn't seem like an issue strictly related to Thermal throttling.

I can't say I'm really fond of this whole throttling/boost sht with this new generation. It's kind of a pain for those who actually want to overclock.

Looks like I'm going to have to RMA and pay for shipping back. That sucks.
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run it with the fan max'd out just to see, 60% might not (probably won't) cut it.

This is a triple slot aftermarket cooling solution, with dual fans. smile.gif

60% more than cuts it. I'm way way below reference temps.
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This is a triple slot aftermarket cooling solution, with dual fans. smile.gif

60% more than cuts it. I'm way way below reference temps.

right... you have a killer cooler! i have a 680 blower style cooler on my 670.

another thing to wonder about are driver bugs. nvidia's had a bumpy road on that front recently it seems. i don't know if any of them affect the heaven bench that you're running. but if you can underclock by 100 and succeed... not a driver problem.
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