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Well my MSI GTX670 PE arrived today and I got it installed tonight. I'm currently testing, but as promised, here are my observations so far compared to the Gigabyte 670 ...

Based on a solid couple of hours of running Heaven loops, I will say that cooling is roughly equal between the two cards, with a slight edge to the MSI card by 2 or 3 degrees C. Using the auto fan profile in AB, both cards keep those temperatures at almost the same fan speed, with the GB card around 43% and the MSI card at 45%. At that fan speed, the MSI card is ever so slightly more audible than the GB card, but still very quiet. I'd say the difference has more to do with a slight difference in pitch than anything else. The MSI fans have a slightly higher pitched whirring, but the difference is negligible. For those like me with a rather open case (my Corsair 500R has a side panel grill), setting a custom fan profile to keep the fans at about 40% will keep them inaudible and cooling should remain roughly equal. I can start to barely hear the MSI fans over my case fans at about 42%.

Power consumption is about the same on the GB card as well. It hovers around the mid-80s under load.

I'm currently working on finding stable clocks, but it's not looking all that great on my card. It looks like I drew another average card. The stock max boost on my card is 1176, which gives it a "Kepler boost" of +78 over advertised specs. However, it looks like my card doesn't have that much headroom beyond that. I'm still testing, but it's looking like my max offset is +62, putting my max boost at 1238. I lost 24MHz on the core clock compared to my GB card if that offset holds stable. Also, it looks like I'm going to give up some on the memory clock as well but I'm still working on that one.

I can also confirm what has already been revealed, but as of now you cannot adjust any voltages. You can unlock the Core voltage slider, but it doesn't do anything like with all the other Kepler cards.

Overall, based on my observations thus far, I'm going to call the GB GTX670 WF and MSI GTX670 PE a draw. Subjective things like looks, brand, and other factors could swing someone either way. But is the MSI card worth $30 more? Well, again, that's a bit subjective, but unless there's an update to AB or something that allows the voltages to be adjusted on the MSI card (as advertised right on the box), my personal opinion is no. For now, the primary difference between the two is their custom cooling solutions, and as I said above, they appear to be roughly equal.

I'll get screenshots with numbers and benches up when I've finished working on the clocks.
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Originally Posted by JayWill411 View Post

Well my MSI GTX670 PE arrived today and I got it installed tonight. I'm currently testing, but as promised, here are my observations so far compared to the Gigabyte 670 ...

Based on a solid couple of hours of running Heaven loops, I will say that cooling is roughly equal between the two cards, with a slight edge to the MSI card by 2 or 3 degrees C. Using the auto fan profile in AB, both cards keep those temperatures at almost the same fan speed, with the GB card around 43% and the MSI card at 45%. At that fan speed, the MSI card is ever so slightly more audible than the GB card, but still very quiet. I'd say the difference has more to do with a slight difference in pitch than anything else. The MSI fans have a slightly higher pitched whirring, but the difference is negligible. For those like me with a rather open case (my Corsair 500R has a side panel grill), setting a custom fan profile to keep the fans at about 40% will keep them inaudible and cooling should remain roughly equal. I can start to barely hear the MSI fans over my case fans at about 42%.

Power consumption is about the same on the GB card as well. It hovers around the mid-80s under load.

I'm currently working on finding stable clocks, but it's not looking all that great on my card. It looks like I drew another average card. The stock max boost on my card is 1176, which gives it a "Kepler boost" of +78 over advertised specs. However, it looks like my card doesn't have that much headroom beyond that. I'm still testing, but it's looking like my max offset is +62, putting my max boost at 1238. I lost 24MHz on the core clock compared to my GB card if that offset holds stable. Also, it looks like I'm going to give up some on the memory clock as well but I'm still working on that one.

I can also confirm what has already been revealed, but as of now you cannot adjust any voltages. You can unlock the Core voltage slider, but it doesn't do anything like with all the other Kepler cards.

Overall, based on my observations thus far, I'm going to call the GB GTX670 WF and MSI GTX670 PE a draw. Subjective things like looks, brand, and other factors could swing someone either way. But is the MSI card worth $30 more? Well, again, that's a bit subjective, but unless there's an update to AB or something that allows the voltages to be adjusted on the MSI card (as advertised right on the box), my personal opinion is no. For now, the primary difference between the two is their custom cooling solutions, and as I said above, they appear to be roughly equal.

I'll get screenshots with numbers and benches up when I've finished working on the clocks.

Guess I should have kept my Asus cards.

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post #123 of 939
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Guess I should have kept my Asus cards.
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Grass is always greener...
I'm extremely happy with my Asus TOP @ 1280Mhz smile.gif
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I will say that cooling is roughly equal between the two cards, with a slight edge to the MSI card by 2 or 3 degrees C. Using the auto fan profile in AB, both cards keep those temperatures at almost the same fan speed, with the GB card around 43% and the MSI card at 45%. At that fan speed, the MSI card is ever so slightly more audible than the GB card, but still very quiet.

Look at the RPMs and not the fan %.. that may explain the difference in temps and apparent noise (MSI running higher RPM).
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Guess I should have kept my Asus cards.
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Yep you should have mate or gone for the NON TOP.

I saw these MSI GTX670's pop up in my local store and thought 'that looks pretty' and triple voltage ''whats this all about?'' Reading through these threads is dissapointing only 1.175v which is standard across the board and only overclocks of 1267mhz.

My non top Asus GTX 670 is stable at 1300mhz core and + 400 memory and remains virtually silent. Never goes over 64c

I like the look of the new Twin Frozr 4 cooler, but im not a fan of MSI'S brown PCB. 114% Power Control is a joke for this card. Mine does 122% and still exceeds that on a regular basis. Are you guys with the MSI card setting your voltage slider and power control to 100%? It helps to achieve higher overclocks as it will stop the voltage from dipping in games (unless your card goes over 75c and throttles)
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Yep you should have mate or gone for the NON TOP.
I saw these MSI GTX670's pop up in my local store and thought 'that looks pretty' and triple voltage ''whats this all about?'' Reading through these threads is dissapointing only 1.175v which is standard across the board and only overclocks of 1267mhz.
My non top Asus GTX 670 is stable at 1300mhz core and + 400 memory and remains virtually silent. Never goes over 64c
I like the look of the new Twin Frozr 4 cooler, but im not a fan of MSI'S brown PCB.

triple over voltage basically allows you to up the voltage on core, pll, and memory...and this is all without modifying the bios or doing anything to void the warranty

I use to have a 560ti 448 cores twin frozr 3 PE/OC....i was able to get it up to 950mhz by only touching the CORE...I left PLL and memory alone....if I maxed out my PLL, I might have gotten to 970 or possibly 980? I dunno, but most people say it really isn't worth it for gaming....its only worth it for guys shooting for the biggest e-peen
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Originally Posted by JayWill411 View Post

Well my MSI GTX670 PE arrived today and I got it installed tonight. I'm currently testing, but as promised, here are my observations so far compared to the Gigabyte 670 ...
Based on a solid couple of hours of running Heaven loops, I will say that cooling is roughly equal between the two cards, with a slight edge to the MSI card by 2 or 3 degrees C. Using the auto fan profile in AB, both cards keep those temperatures at almost the same fan speed, with the GB card around 43% and the MSI card at 45%. At that fan speed, the MSI card is ever so slightly more audible than the GB card, but still very quiet. I'd say the difference has more to do with a slight difference in pitch than anything else. The MSI fans have a slightly higher pitched whirring, but the difference is negligible. For those like me with a rather open case (my Corsair 500R has a side panel grill), setting a custom fan profile to keep the fans at about 40% will keep them inaudible and cooling should remain roughly equal. I can start to barely hear the MSI fans over my case fans at about 42%.
Power consumption is about the same on the GB card as well. It hovers around the mid-80s under load.
I'm currently working on finding stable clocks, but it's not looking all that great on my card. It looks like I drew another average card. The stock max boost on my card is 1176, which gives it a "Kepler boost" of +78 over advertised specs. However, it looks like my card doesn't have that much headroom beyond that. I'm still testing, but it's looking like my max offset is +62, putting my max boost at 1238. I lost 24MHz on the core clock compared to my GB card if that offset holds stable. Also, it looks like I'm going to give up some on the memory clock as well but I'm still working on that one.
I can also confirm what has already been revealed, but as of now you cannot adjust any voltages. You can unlock the Core voltage slider, but it doesn't do anything like with all the other Kepler cards.
Overall, based on my observations thus far, I'm going to call the GB GTX670 WF and MSI GTX670 PE a draw. Subjective things like looks, brand, and other factors could swing someone either way. But is the MSI card worth $30 more? Well, again, that's a bit subjective, but unless there's an update to AB or something that allows the voltages to be adjusted on the MSI card (as advertised right on the box), my personal opinion is no. For now, the primary difference between the two is their custom cooling solutions, and as I said above, they appear to be roughly equal.
I'll get screenshots with numbers and benches up when I've finished working on the clocks.

hey thanks alot for the honest and no BS review!

I know its been a few hours now, but are you stable at 1238 boosted? Let us know how it goes....its not that bad, because mine and a few other Gigabytes couldn't even hit 1200.

Also Guru3d said the voltage will be unlocked at a later date with the 680 lightning...I know its not the same card, but it does have the same feature as the GTX 670 PE/OC...so I'm hoping it will translate into higher voltage, so we can get your card easily into the 1300s smile.gif
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Hi guys registered so I could share something I found.

Any of the guys with the power edition running v 2.2.2 o after burner that was released recently?

The line "• Increased upper allowed power limit for power limit adjustment slider on some extreme editions of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 600 series graphics cards"
Might be of some importance?

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=364671
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Hi guys registered so I could share something I found.
Any of the guys with the power edition running v 2.2.2 o after burner that was released recently?
The line "• Increased upper allowed power limit for power limit adjustment slider on some extreme editions of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 600 series graphics cards"
Might be of some importance?
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=364671

ohhhh
bump'ing this up for PE users. Go try AB 2.20!
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MSI afterburner 2.2.2 is out! go go go!!

http://downloads.guru3d.com/Afterburner-2.2.2-download-2562.html
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