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Quoting the MSI post in the techPowerUp thread referring to AB 2.2.2: "But that one should at least support 670 overvoltage for our Power Edition (1.3v, up from 1.175v)..."

Nope. Still stuck at 1.175 at load with the Core Voltage slider maxed to 100. Good thing it says "should", since the statement is clearly incorrect.
Edited by zinfinion - 6/20/12 at 9:55am
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post #172 of 939
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Originally Posted by zinfinion View Post

Quoting the MSI post in the techPowerUp thread referring to AB 2.2.2: "But that one should at least support 670 overvoltage for our Power Edition (1.3v, up from 1.175v)..."
Nope. Still stuck at 1.175 at load with the Core Voltage slider maxed to 100. Good thing is says "should", since the statement is clearly incorrect.

One thing I noticed per your picture is that your MSI afterburner doesn't detect your card. It detects it as a plain reference card.

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When I used AB with my old 580 lightnings, it would detect the brand name of my card and would say "N580GTX lightning" unless I used beta drivers.

can you roll back to 301.42 and test it? Maybe its because your card isn't properly detected? If it detects reference card , it will lock those features out. Your card should read as "N670GTX Power Edition" in the afterburner header. Also, can you clean reinstall afterburner?
post #173 of 939
Hmm still no sign of this on Amazon frown.gif
post #174 of 939
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

One thing I noticed per your picture is that your MSI afterburner doesn't detect your card. It detects it as a plain reference card.

When I used AB with my old 580 lightnings, it would detect the brand name of my card and would say "N580GTX lightning" unless I used beta drivers.
can you roll back to 301.42 and test it? Maybe its because your card isn't properly detected? If it detects reference card , it will lock those features out. Your card should read as "N670GTX Power Edition" in the afterburner header. Also, can you clean reinstall afterburner?

In the section on Triple Overvoltage on the box for this card, the screenshot of AfterBurner that shows the voltage panel open lists the graphics card as "MSI N670 GTX Power Edition", and Nvidia driver version 301.33.

I can't try it until later tonight, but maybe zinfinion can sooner if he feels like it.
Edited by JayWill411 - 6/20/12 at 9:44am
post #175 of 939
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Originally Posted by Darylrese View Post


I like the look of the new Twin Frozr 4 cooler, but im not a fan of MSI'S brown PCB. 114% Power Control is a joke for this card. Mine does 122% and still exceeds that on a regular basis. Are you guys with the MSI card setting your voltage slider and power control to 100%? It helps to achieve higher overclocks as it will stop the voltage from dipping in games (unless your card goes over 75c and throttles)

I don't get why 111%, 114% or 122% even matters when the card doesn't even hit 100%. Both my Gigabyte and MSI cards peak in the mid-80s, making the power target slider useless. I can see the potential benefits once we're able to increase voltage (assuming it's possible on the MSI card), but until then, I see no tangible benefits.

Maybe it's different on the ASUS cards, but all it means to me is that it's pulling more power from the wall at the same 1.175v, and increasing the power target only keeps the card from downclocking when you don't want it to.

Maybe I'm missing something.
post #176 of 939
Nope to both. Clean installs. Uninstalled and cleaned out the leftovers, then reinstalled MSI Afterburner 2.2.2. Checked all the voltage toggles, etc... Apparently, now we wait.

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I don't get why 111%, 114% or 122% even matters when the card doesn't even hit 100%. Both my Gigabyte and MSI cards peak in the mid-80s, making the power target slider useless. I can see the potential benefits once we're able to increase voltage (assuming it's possible on the MSI card), but until then, I see no tangible benefits.
Maybe it's different on the ASUS cards, but all it means to me is that it's pulling more power from the wall at the same 1.175v, and increasing the power target only keeps the card from downclocking when you don't want it to.
Maybe I'm missing something.

To hit 100% power target you need to consume as much power as a 680gtx consumes at 100% load (they are using 680 reference designs for most of the non-ref 670s). Even with O.C. you won't hit that in most cases with a 670gtx. The power % used is not a good way to compare anything on two separate boards, its completely relative to that particular board. What you want to do is compare actual wattage.
Edited by zerocraft - 6/20/12 at 10:01am
post #178 of 939
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Originally Posted by error-id10t View Post

Look at the RPMs and not the fan %.. that may explain the difference in temps and apparent noise (MSI running higher RPM).

The Gigabyte card actually has slightly higher RPMs at a slightly lower fan percentage. GB at 44% = ~2070 RPM and MSI at 45% = 1920 RPM. To me, that's close enough to be equal. Again, I'd say the minute amount of additional noise on the MSI card's fans has to do with the pitch ... to my ears anyways.
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hey thanks alot for the honest and no BS review!
I know its been a few hours now, but are you stable at 1238 boosted? Let us know how it goes....its not that bad, because mine and a few other Gigabytes couldn't even hit 1200.
Also Guru3d said the voltage will be unlocked at a later date with the 680 lightning...I know its not the same card, but it does have the same feature as the GTX 670 PE/OC...so I'm hoping it will translate into higher voltage, so we can get your card easily into the 1300s smile.gif

Yeah it looks like 1238 core clock and 3225 memory clock is my cap that so far appears to be long-term stable. I still need time to verify that with certainty though, as well as test it in actual gaming which I haven't done a lot of yet (played about 30mins of BF3 last night).

I'm a bit disappointed in the memory clock, as I was able to get another 230MHz out of my GB card, but in a real world scenario it probably won't matter that much outside of benching. So far it looks like the slightly lower core clock and more significant reduction in the memory clock hit me for about 1FPS and 20 score points in Heaven (max settings and 1080p).

I guess we'll see how things go if/when I'm able to increase the voltage.
post #179 of 939
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Originally Posted by zinfinion View Post

Nope to both. Clean installs. Uninstalled and cleaned out the leftovers, then reinstalled MSI Afterburner 2.2.2. Checked all the voltage toggles, etc... Apparently, now we wait.

Bummer. Thanks for checking.
post #180 of 939
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Originally Posted by JayWill411 View Post

I don't get why 111%, 114% or 122% even matters when the card doesn't even hit 100%. Both my Gigabyte and MSI cards peak in the mid-80s, making the power target slider useless. I can see the potential benefits once we're able to increase voltage (assuming it's possible on the MSI card), but until then, I see no tangible benefits.
Maybe it's different on the ASUS cards, but all it means to me is that it's pulling more power from the wall at the same 1.175v, and increasing the power target only keeps the card from downclocking when you don't want it to.
Maybe I'm missing something.

Like you, my Galaxy card does not respond to power target at all (and it has 120% maximum via the slider). It runs in the high-60s, barely breaking 70% at times, rendering my power control slider completely and utterly useless. Hopefully it just means that when/if I get voltage control at some point, it has a ton potential to really push up the clocks.

I've noticed this with higher quality cards though. Reference designs will frequently pass 100%, while custom designs loaded with extra phases and 8+6 or 8+8 connectors will run much lower.
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