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post #481 of 846
8/27/12 at 12:30pm
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They absolutely shouldn't be that high. Especially the bottom one...
Are you sue the airflow in your case is alright?

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Agree with G3RG. I would check your air flow in your case fan placed in wrong way may increase your temp significantly . Been there done that.

My existing fan directions are correct IMO. Some interesting test results:

1.) Keeping the fan configuration exactly like it is tonight, running Heaven @ MAX settings (15 minutes), temps were 30s min for both cards, max 83 for top & 73 for bottom. When I reached 91 top & 80-something-ish bottom the other day the ambient room temp then was higher than tonight, and was playing Witcher 2 @ everything MAX settings then.

2.) Keeping the fan configuration the same, but removed one card (no SLI). 30s min and 70 max running the same tests using Heaven. This would indicate that SLI does in fact have large role in my temp issues

3.) Removed my Corsair Graphite 600T see-through window and replaced it with the mesh insert and attached 2X 120mm fans blowing in on the cards. Temps again were 30s min, however max settings were 5 to 6 degrees celcius lower for each card respectively: top 78 (was 83 with no side fans) & 67 bottom (was 73 with no side fans).

I am leaning towards some conclusion that Witcher 2 does punish a system more, especially with UberSampling set to Eanbled. Futhermore, since these cards do no exhaust hot air out like traditional reference cards, the heat gets dumped inside the chassis adding to the temps. Lastly, adding 2X fans on the side can reduce the heat by 5/6 degrees - though now I can't use my see-through side panel thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

What do you guys think of these results?
Edited by CTV - 8/27/12 at 12:35pm
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8/27/12 at 12:33pm
will this be quieter/cooler than the asus dcII? those are my 2 primary concerns
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8/27/12 at 1:06pm
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will this be quieter/cooler than the asus dcII? those are my 2 primary concerns

From what I have read, the Asus is quieter. I have two concerns with the Asus though:

1.) Where I live, the Asus TOP is $40-60 (using current exchange rate converted from our currency) more expensive that the MSI Power Edition OC - ouch!
2.) The Asus TOP had a rough start. A lot of stability issues. The non-TOP version apparently is not affected, though I have heard rumors that a BIOS update has been released that resolved the TOP's issues.

I am a first time MSI owner (for less than a week). I have always mostly purchased Asus cards and what I like is that Asus' Support center is 2 blocks away from where I work so if I run into trouble with the distribution channels, I can contact them directly. I have never had issues with Asus cards but as I said, where I live, the Asus is relatively more expensive, especially if you want 2X for SLI like me and obviously the stability issues wit the TOP version.

One last thing worth mentioning is that apart from the Asus running cooler and quieter than the MSI, its base and turbo clocks for the TOP version is higher than that of the MSI Power Edition OC.

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8/27/12 at 3:02pm
My PE never gone over 63°C, on full load, for hours. On idle it's around 32 avg.
TF4 is noisy over 60% but you wont need to go over that often with a proper fan profile. I saw on another thread that the DCUII is comparable in terms of cooling and noise (don't ask me which one, I don't remember) but one guy did a full comparison of the two coolers and that's is conclusion.
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8/27/12 at 4:37pm
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One of my two new PE OC's also has a subtle grinding noise, also the fan closest to the rear IO. The other fan on this card and both fans on the other card are OK (for now) worriedsmiley.gif Over a day or two's use the noise has improved ever so slightly but still gently audible. Is MSI aware of this? Is it the fans they use or what is going on? Should I RMA the card?
I assume so, but my thought on it is that they deem it not worth their time and money to fix. Though that'd be counterproductive because they want you to RMA the ENTIRE CARD to fix it, which puts unneeded costs on both parties. They should be the ones sending out a new fan in a simple mailing envelope; it's cheap, quick and easy, but they refuse to do it for some reason. If only I could speak to someone with contacts or directly to someone from MSI who will listen (like I do with ASUS on [H]).

It doesn't affect performance really (RPM can be about 200+/- off-spec from the other fan, but it's not that big a deal.

The big problem is the damn noise, especially in a quiet (because you can't go silent without water cooling and dropping HDDs) PC build.


And to comment on your SLI temps, it sounds like the cards are shoved right next to eachother with no spacing. That severely affects temps and shouldn't be done unless you have blower style cards. I had to fight with this when I used SLI (with another add-in card on my old/current board, and my 2nd GPU on my AMD platform), but now that I am free from that crutch (for now), my top card isn't starved anymore and temps are even lower than before, along with noise and power consumption, yay!
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8/27/12 at 10:58pm
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I assume so, but my thought on it is that they deem it not worth their time and money to fix. Though that'd be counterproductive because they want you to RMA the ENTIRE CARD to fix it, which puts unneeded costs on both parties. They should be the ones sending out a new fan in a simple mailing envelope; it's cheap, quick and easy, but they refuse to do it for some reason. If only I could speak to someone with contacts or directly to someone from MSI who will listen (like I do with ASUS on [H]).
It doesn't affect performance really (RPM can be about 200+/- off-spec from the other fan, but it's not that big a deal.
The big problem is the damn noise, especially in a quiet (because you can't go silent without water cooling and dropping HDDs) PC build.
And to comment on your SLI temps, it sounds like the cards are shoved right next to eachother with no spacing. That severely affects temps and shouldn't be done unless you have blower style cards. I had to fight with this when I used SLI (with another add-in card on my old/current board, and my 2nd GPU on my AMD platform), but now that I am free from that crutch (for now), my top card isn't starved anymore and temps are even lower than before, along with noise and power consumption, yay!

If that is MSI's attitude, I am sorry to say but it will be my 1st and last MSI purchase. Look at Corsair for example - they are amazing at informing clients of potential manufacturing issues and are more than willing to sort out one's issue. Now that is what I call service! If MSI has picked up issues with fans on Twin Frozr 2 and 3, yet it is still present in version 4, shame on them!

I agree regarding the SLI and temps, just look at my previous post on this page, single card never went over 70, and that is without changing any current fan configuration. My cards are NOT shoved next to one another without a spacing. Look at my rig (please ignore the fact that those are my old Radeon HD 5870s):

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8/28/12 at 8:21pm
Can't say it's their attitude as I've never really heard from anyone from MSI about the issue, but their support staff definitely tell you to RMA the card. Maybe if you push them hard enough (ie. talk to supervisor/manager) you could get them to send a new fan, but I've not had that luck so far.

Multi-GPU configs really suck, yeah. I had some pretty high temps even in one of the best air cooling cases available, the HAF-X. My top GTX 460 Hawk (talon attack) would sometimes hit 80C.. and then it would start letting out an ear piercing electrical noise which went away after it cooled down a few degrees.

But there's a disclaimer there: It wasn't completely starved; but one of the fans was covered by my sound card.

And even then, I didn't like keeping the fans at more than 40% (minimum) due to noise. If I let em get to 50-60% the temps fell quite a lot, but the noise ramped up a lot more.


The Twin Frozr 4 fans are a lot quieter and most of the time the card is basically silent while keeping amazing temps; only really ramping up to 50-55% in intensive applications. Still quieter than the Twin Frozr 2 fans.

Mayhap your smaller case and less efficient airflow are to blame, but who knows.

PS: That dust, ack.
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8/29/12 at 9:24pm
Very happy i went with 680 L



Hope rest of you will be more lucky with your 670PE than Iwas
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8/29/12 at 9:38pm
I have a msi gtx465 twin frozer ii that is a very quiet card. Sure, It can get a little noisey when you turn the fan way up but, It still isnt that bad at all. I overclock it with the voltage almost to the max, on msi afterburner.Take the core clock to 850 MHz and the memory to 1870MHZ. Works like a dream for what i use it for.
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8/29/12 at 9:46pm
One does not compare fully custom (digital controller + better VRM+ backplate) card with reference one with custom cooling, so yes, DCII cards beat TF IV generally, but Lightning beats DCII.
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