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Originally Posted by Bosniac View Post

Having owned a GB 680 ref. GB 680 WF, GB 670, and Galaxy 680 SOC... the MSi 680L is on the quieter side, except on start up.
Do you want to move on onto something else to complain...? Like... for example the length or the price? rolleyes.gif

I don't complain, i'm stating that the GPU clock is not everything, having card clock so high will make you force very agressive fan curve, and the noise will rise.

If you mind my posts, just put me on ignore list, and move on.
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I agree, but that doesn't mean his temps are bad. Your comment seemed pretty trolling with that smiley at the end. rolleyes.gif

Oh i used the smiley like instinct, wasn't meant to insult or make a fun of anything sorry for that!
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Well if you're comparing reference to lightning its a valid point. While there are a few golden reference 680s, they are very few and far between - I went through 3 of them myself before selling them (thank you Ebay for the hundreds of dollars in profit) and none of them could go over 1240. Further, all of them throttled at max overclocks when playing actual demanding games - its easy to do a 2 minute 3dmark11 cheese run however when playing something like crysis 2 maxed out in surround the temps rapidly spike up near 75C (and this is in a Cosmos II case) even with high manual fan settings. An overclock that you can brag about with a ref 680 in 3dmark is not one that will last for a long period in surround games such as metro 2033 maxed or crysis 2 maxed - the temps go signifigantly higher.

The lightning has none of these issues. No kepler throttle, much more quiet, voltage control coming sometime in the future, and much better temps. The downside is price of course, but I feel that it is worth the premium personally. While you can possibly get a golden 680, most of them can't do those kind of overclocks for extended periods without throttling. Temps will get high on reference because the fan sucks, and then the card will throttle if you push it very hard. There are exceptions of course, but not many - just looking at the 680 overclock thread at hardocp which consists of 50+ pages shows that 1200-1245mhz is pretty much the median for reference overclocks and they STILL throttle in actual demanding games (NOT a 2 minute 3dmark run)

Of course it seems like some people here live by 3dmark and probably don't play games, so I dunno. I don't make money by doing 3dmark11 runs all day and while its nice to have an awesome score I don't care THAT much....I like having a good experience in all my games. I personally like enjoying my PC by playing games now and then --- my completely 100% biased opinion is that the lightning is one of the best options on the market.thumb.gif
Edited by xoleras - 7/9/12 at 7:01am
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Well if you're comparing reference to lightning its a valid point. While there are a few golden reference 680s, they are very few and far between - I went through 3 of them myself before selling them (thank you Ebay for the hundreds of dollars in profit) and none of them could go over 1240. Further, all of them throttled at max overclocks when playing actual demanding games - its easy to do a 2 minute 3dmark11 cheese run however when playing something like crysis 2 maxed out in surround the temps rapidly spike up near 75C (and this is in a Cosmos II case) even with high manual fan settings. An overclock that you can brag about with a ref 680 in 3dmark is not one that will last for a long period in surround games such as metro 2033 maxed or crysis 2 maxed - the temps go signifigantly higher.
The lightning has none of these issues. No kepler throttle, much more quiet, voltage control coming sometime in the future, and much better temps. The downside is price of course, but I feel that it is worth the premium personally. While you can possibly get a golden 680, most of them can't do those kind of overclocks for extended periods without throttling. Temps will get high on reference because the fan sucks, and then the card will throttle if you push it very hard. There are exceptions of course, but not many - just looking at the 680 overclock thread at hardocp which consists of 50+ pages shows that 1200-1245mhz is pretty much the median for reference overclocks and they STILL throttle in actual demanding games (NOT a 2 minute 3dmark run)
Of course it seems like some people here live by 3dmark and probably don't play games, so I dunno. I don't make money by doing 3dmark11 runs all day and while its nice to have an awesome score I don't care THAT much....I like having a good experience in all my games. I personally like enjoying my PC by playing games now and then --- my completely 100% biased opinion is that the lightning is one of the best options on the market.thumb.gif




Very true, man. smile.gif But if nvidia wanted in the first place to put in this 6 series a 3gb vram memory the 680 lightning was pure awesome. I agree with you 3dmark doesn't mean much thing, but for some games like battlefield 3 and Skyrim with many graphical mods installed, the 2gb of the 680 isn't enough, trust me, i had a 680 ref and after i was playing battlefield 3 (all maxed out, 1680x1050) afterburner told me all the vram was full. And after i've played Skyrim for 1-2 hours with about 5gb of graphical mods/texture mods, (NO gameplay mods) all my vram was full, and the game started to stutter a little because of the full vram. And i imagine a 7970 with his 3gb vram will be just enough for playing this games, and still have 300-600mb of free vram.And for me it's a loong wait for a 680 lightning extreme, i could buy the lightning only after 2 weeks from now, what i can say about the lightning extreme, if that card isn't even announced.
Edited by CalinTM - 7/9/12 at 7:51am
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Well if you're comparing reference to lightning its a valid point. While there are a few golden reference 680s, they are very few and far between - I went through 3 of them myself before selling them (thank you Ebay for the hundreds of dollars in profit) and none of them could go over 1240. Further, all of them throttled at max overclocks when playing actual demanding games - its easy to do a 2 minute 3dmark11 cheese run however when playing something like crysis 2 maxed out in surround the temps rapidly spike up near 75C (and this is in a Cosmos II case) even with high manual fan settings. An overclock that you can brag about with a ref 680 in 3dmark is not one that will last for a long period in surround games such as metro 2033 maxed or crysis 2 maxed - the temps go signifigantly higher.
The lightning has none of these issues. No kepler throttle, much more quiet, voltage control coming sometime in the future, and much better temps. The downside is price of course, but I feel that it is worth the premium personally. While you can possibly get a golden 680, most of them can't do those kind of overclocks for extended periods without throttling. Temps will get high on reference because the fan sucks, and then the card will throttle if you push it very hard. There are exceptions of course, but not many - just looking at the 680 overclock thread at hardocp which consists of 50+ pages shows that 1200-1245mhz is pretty much the median for reference overclocks and they STILL throttle in actual demanding games (NOT a 2 minute 3dmark run)
Of course it seems like some people here live by 3dmark and probably don't play games, so I dunno. I don't make money by doing 3dmark11 runs all day and while its nice to have an awesome score I don't care THAT much....I like having a good experience in all my games. I personally like enjoying my PC by playing games now and then --- my completely 100% biased opinion is that the lightning is one of the best options on the market.thumb.gif

^^ Just reassured me I made the right decision and probably swayed a few people into buying one thumb.gif
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^ tongue.gif Nahh, i've wanted this card before the DirectCU II was announced.
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http://www.msi-computer.de/product/vga/N680GTX-Lightning.html#/?div=Firmware
new firmware
reduce the fan speed at startup to 30%

Anyone try this yet?
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Anyone try this yet?

Not yet. But I don't really mind the fans reving up. If it helps even a tiny bit with dust, then I'll keep 'em the way they are.
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Not yet. But I don't really mind the fans reving up. If it helps even a tiny bit with dust, then I'll keep 'em the way they are.

I don't know. They are very loud upon boot. At 75% perhaps?
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Well if you're comparing reference to lightning its a valid point. While there are a few golden reference 680s, they are very few and far between - I went through 3 of them myself before selling them (thank you Ebay for the hundreds of dollars in profit) and none of them could go over 1240. Further, all of them throttled at max overclocks when playing actual demanding games - its easy to do a 2 minute 3dmark11 cheese run however when playing something like crysis 2 maxed out in surround the temps rapidly spike up near 75C (and this is in a Cosmos II case) even with high manual fan settings. An overclock that you can brag about with a ref 680 in 3dmark is not one that will last for a long period in surround games such as metro 2033 maxed or crysis 2 maxed - the temps go signifigantly higher.
The lightning has none of these issues. No kepler throttle, much more quiet, voltage control coming sometime in the future, and much better temps. The downside is price of course, but I feel that it is worth the premium personally. While you can possibly get a golden 680, most of them can't do those kind of overclocks for extended periods without throttling. Temps will get high on reference because the fan sucks, and then the card will throttle if you push it very hard. There are exceptions of course, but not many - just looking at the 680 overclock thread at hardocp which consists of 50+ pages shows that 1200-1245mhz is pretty much the median for reference overclocks and they STILL throttle in actual demanding games (NOT a 2 minute 3dmark run)
Of course it seems like some people here live by 3dmark and probably don't play games, so I dunno. I don't make money by doing 3dmark11 runs all day and while its nice to have an awesome score I don't care THAT much....I like having a good experience in all my games. I personally like enjoying my PC by playing games now and then --- my completely 100% biased opinion is that the lightning is one of the best options on the market.thumb.gif

you're totally exaggerating!!!! the reference card runs very cool, not as cool as the lightning, but it definitely never throttles with my custom fan profile even after hours of demanding games such as crysis 2 or bf3.

i also gotta ask...why did you have 3 ref? please don't tell me you were one of those people who bought a couple and tried to profit?
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you're totally exaggerating!!!! the reference card runs very cool, not as cool as the lightning, but it definitely never throttles with my custom fan profile even after hours of demanding games such as crysis 2 or bf3.
i also gotta ask...why did you have 3 ref? please don't tell me you were one of those people who bought a couple and tried to profit?

He's not exaggerating. I have a well cooled case and my ref 680 easily reached 68c under stock boost (1150), and when I did have it OC'd to 1325, I had a pretty agressive fan curve just to stay under 70c. The MSi 680L is freaking cooler than my GB680WF was. The highest I've seen the Lighting was 61c at 1350MHz.
Edited by Bosniac - 7/9/12 at 10:52am
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