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post #101 of 840
Shape looks really good with the taipan. Shame it is not a straight optical infrared, but razer is past that, they gonna produce high dpi laser mice untill there is something better to milk.

Amazon is the customers best friend, so I might order it to just see if I could accept whatever flaws the sensor has.
post #102 of 840
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

I'm willing to bet that it has acceleration, but Razer is certainly a special case in this matter, so idk. Avago themselves don't really care even acknowledge it as an issue.
What it is: A special SROM variant of the DIP-16 laserstream architecture. Likely to have custom DPI steps and or higher IPS/Accel/FPS ratings. The 2nd Sensor has to be considerably smaller unless Razer and their current OEM have some elaborate design planned up.

They might arrange the sensors in a similar way as the Savu - horizontally instead of vertically - so they would both fit in a tight space, or turn one of them (upper one) upside down and get the wheel mount hang on the carcass with some plastic structure.

I'm quite sure Razer arranged for something special with this sensor, else it doesn't make any sense to switch between a very good sensor like the PTE to another product that doesn't offer any noticeable advantage to most players.
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I plan on buying one upon release. Hopefully Amazon has them stocked as I would like to avoid purchasing directly from Razershop.

If I have the monies, I consider buying one of those on release too.

I know Razer is not a company to give up and will release firmware updates if needed to fix mouse issues.
post #103 of 840
Funny thing is, I didn't see anything that large in the leaked ouroboros pictures which seem to share the same hardware in this case. I'm confident it's not a 20 pin, but something small. Maybe a 3050 or 5050 etc... at best when it comes to size, but those IPS and acceleration specifications along with the hidden 2nd sensor (first glace) push me over to PTE. Just a strong hunch on my part.

Doubt it, but wonder if it's possible if they fitted the S9818 with a built in IR LED opposed to a VCSEL.
post #104 of 840
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Funny thing is, I didn't see anything that large in the leaked ouroboros pictures which seem to share the same hardware in this case. I'm confident it's not a 20 pin, but something small. Maybe a 3050 or 5050 etc... at best when it comes to size, but those IPS and acceleration specifications along with the hidden 2nd sensor (first glace) push me over to PTE. Just a strong hunch on my part.
Doubt it, but wonder if it's possible if they fitted the S9818 with a built in IR LED opposed to a VCSEL.

Yeah, PTE would fit (size), but it would be a strong PTE revision - doesn't look like it at least.

Getting a VCSEL sensor to work with IR LED seems very adventurous but ofc it's still possible (sensor needs to pick only one source of light though). No idea and no guarantees on what would be the performance, and how the double lens would be made (LED would need to be very strong too, since it would feed the lens from the side). Seems too tricky, but not out of reach for Razer.

If it was a S9818 with full package (lens...) then only the smallest sensors might fit there, so a 3050 would not be out of the question, or even something smaller like one of the SoC sensors they have at Avago (more basic though).

We'll see how it works smile.gif
post #105 of 840
Damn I really hope this thing works without acceleration. The shape really looks perfect to me. I love the WMO/Xai/Sensei shape and this just seems perfecting it with the rising and rubberized/rough sides. It should be even easier to lift.

Now I don't care if it uses an Avago or a PTE as long as it doesn't have acceleration. TBH I'd prefer a PTE because my hopes for an ADNS-9800 without acceleration issues are pretty low. In that case I sure hope they dumped this crazy senseless automatic DPI scaling they used in all their later PTE mice.

On a side note I just realized: Why would they use a second sensor IF they were using an ADNS-9800? The 9800 has no lift off issues (z-axis tracking) and the LoD is probably lower than that of recent optical sensors anyway. Correcting the acceleration issues with a second lower grade sensor seems senseless to me too (tracking speed, CPI not the same) and it would just mean heavy algorithm processing which would be slow to start with and on the other hand not really precise (it's basically guesswork like prediction).



Oooooh wait, I got it folks :-)
I'm pretty sure about the PTE now. Think about it... The z-axis tracking with their later PTE mice got better but wasn't perfect and here is why:

While you lifted the mouse it moved in one direction creating an offset. Now with their later PTE mice (4G) the mouse tracked in the exact opposite direction when you put it back on the pad, thus bringing the offset back to zero. This means that at least that important part of the z-axis tracking has been resolved.

But there were still problems that persist with their current 4G PTE mice (which btw. they were masking with that dynamic DPI scaling). It's the thing that when you click the mouse buttons and use a soft mousepad, the mouse sinks a little into the pad thus creating a tiny offset again sometimes. This was referred to the jitter issue where the cursor jumped a little when you clicked the mouse and happened especially with the earlier PTE mice without dynamic DPI scaling.

The other issue which is linked to the one above is that the cursor started to "drift" by itself when there were vibrating sources near the mouse (desk ventilator, subwoofer, vibrating phone). Now as I said this and the above issue were "fixed" ("masked" is actually the better term here) with dynamic DPI scaling where the mouse simply ignores tiny or extremely slow movements.

I guess they realized themselves that this dynamic DPI scaling is an ugly "solution" destroying your precision. So here comes my theory: (and if I'm wrong about Razer doing this, I'll have this idea patented for sure! ^^)
They use a second optical sensor which of course isn't prone to z-axis issues. Now when the PTE sensor registers movement they simply CHECK if the optical sensor also registered a movement in that same direction. If that is the case it was a valid x-/y-axis movement. If on the other hand the optical sensor did not register that movement it means that the PTE sensor must have registered some z-axis movement and it get's ignored.

Now while this should work nicely I should note that it would work that perfect/precise only if the DPI used with the PTE is lower or equal that of the optical sensor, which I'm guessing is around 3500 DPI. Using higher DPI than that will result in the mouse ignoring some input as the PTE will register regular tiny movements that the optical sensor won't be able to pick up with that lower sensitivity. So without thinking it through too much between 3500 and 7000 DPI the mouse would ignore a tiny movement of 1 count and between 7000 and its max. 8200 DPI it would ignore movements less or equal 2 counts. Now my guess is that Razer is aware that to make exact 1 count moves at 3500+ DPI or 2 count moves at 7000+ DPI you would need to have an incredibly controlled hand - or be a robot. So I'd say they wouldn't care about that tiny issue as a) most people won't use such a high sens anyway and b) it is still waaaaay better than that dynamic DPI scaling crap.

Long post... but makes a lot of sense to me.
Edited by MONVMENTVM - 6/20/12 at 3:00pm
post #106 of 840
You gave it a good thought, let's hope it works this way smile.gif
post #107 of 840
Doesn't explain the Avago 6190 lens (Pictured in Taipan) or Ouroboros leaks (which is why I'll be sticking to my original guess or assumption of an S9818 + PTE or small optical combo).

Good ideas though. I would see about patenting them and deleting that post if you're willing to go through with it.

Edit: Highly doubt Razer would result to interpolation methods without going for gold and surpassing their competition. Business first.
Edited by Skylit - 6/20/12 at 3:35pm
post #108 of 840
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Doesn't explain the Avago 6190 lens (Pictured in Taipan) or Ouroboros leaks (which is why I'll be sticking to my original guess of an S9818 + PTE or small optical) .
Good ideas though. I would see about patenting them right away.

Haven't had enough time to check the pics thorougly. So you think s9818 is a given?

S9818 + PTE would be quite the overkill BUT would also fit into my idea perfectly as it doesn't really matter if the second sensor is optical or laser as long as it is a simple correlation sensor. As the Avago can also track at high CPI as the PTE does the tiny issue I mentioned above wouldn't exist either as long as they work together at the same amount of CPI.

On the other hand wouldn't that make the mouse quite a lot more expensive? But then again as I said before: would a s98xx as main sensor with an optical secondary even make sense? I don't see how a secondary optical would help, whereas the PTE can really benefit from a secondary sensor. Hmm... going to be interesting.
post #109 of 840
Yeah, IDK why they would even need a 2nd optical sensor if the main sensor is also CMOS based unless it was for advanced calibration methods (quite unneeded imo)

PTE fits the rated specifications while being small enough to fit where its needed. Razer is now big enough to acquire factory deals on pricing so the cost factor isn't as bad as it would have been a few years back.

We just don't know how they're going about this =x
Edited by Skylit - 6/20/12 at 3:59pm
post #110 of 840
Couple of "reviews". Just the usual mouse review guff. Nothing of any interest really

http://www.ripten.com/2012/06/22/ripten-hardware-review-razer-taipan-mouse/

http://www.co-optimus.com/review/1080/razer-taipan-and-synapse-2-0-review.html
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