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post #231 of 840
You know what makes me think is the one thing the Reviewer mentioned about the negative accel of the Taipan on an unreal Movementspeed you wouldn't use ingame anyway.

Even if you do this simple práctice accel test on a correct straight with your own hands on your mousepad, you can never do it 100% correct. Especially by this Speed the Reviewer mentioned where he noticed the negative accel. And I bet they didn't even use some heavy Object for the straight in their tests and just doing the cheap Takasta Mothode or how this japanese Guy with these many mousereviews gets called. XD

Maybe the Taipan has no Accel at all and these were failreviews when it comes to the Sensor. ^^

Takasta, his name is Takasta. XD

Not two mention that both Reviewers talk about a very slight negative accel. XD
Edited by mousefan - 6/30/12 at 2:42am
post #232 of 840
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Originally Posted by JonnyBigBoss View Post

Our review is live!
http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/razer-taipan
I also did a video review so I could show off how sexy it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXHdD1kbzAU
This is a great mouse and those of you anticipating it shouldn't be disappointed.

Could you specify what is that "unreal speed you won't reach while gaming"?

I mean, it is not strange for me to swipe the mouse at up to 3.5~4 m/s, and assuming most people rarely exceeds 2 m/s, I guess I would be one of those to get to those speeds.

Just to put it in context :
- 60cm/360°
- Most people think I use high sensitivity because of the speed my cursor moves all the time.
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Originally Posted by mousefan View Post

You know what makes me think is the one thing the Reviewer mentioned about the negative accel of the Taipan on an unreal Movementspeed you wouldn't use ingame anyway.
Even if you do this simple práctice accel test on a correct straight with your own hands on your mousepad, you can never do it 100% correct. Especially by this Speed the Reviewer mentioned where he noticed the negative accel. And I bet they didn't even use some heavy Object for the straight in their tests and just doing the cheap Takasta Mothode or how this japanese Guy with these many mousereviews gets called. XD
Maybe the Taipan has no Accel at all and these were failreviews when it comes to the Sensor. ^^
Takasta, his name is Takasta. XD
Not two mention that both Reviewers talk about a very slight negative accel. XD

I don't know why would you worry about negative accel, when you're using the king of it. IMO starts giving negative accel at 1~1.5 m/s, which is ridiculously low for most low-sensers.

Most pro-gamers moved away from these mice already.

I hope the negative accel is part of a misconducted test aswell (At some speed people is weary of crushing their hand into some solid), but please respect their work.

We'll see whether they're right or if they made a small mistake when testing fast swipes - which is very common.
post #233 of 840
Let's put it that way: Each and every mouse has negative accel - even the Intellis. It all depends at which movement speeds negative accel is starting to show (and the Intellis are NOT that great at that).

So if the Taipan has no constant positive acceleration (like the other 9500 and 9800 mice) it is fine. If the negative acceleration starts at I don't know how high of a movement speed (let's say over 3m/s)... it's fine too. I'm a mid to high sens user myself so I don't come near that movement speeds anyway.

But it's important that it has no constant positive or negative acceleration.
post #234 of 840
I respect their work, but none of us saw them testing and none of us know if they did anyway.

Maybe the second Reviewer just talked the same as the first without testing anything while the first Reviwer made a failtest.

I know sometimes I am almost a lil bit to negative when it comes to those Reviewguys or Internetstatements at all, but that's the Internet where alot of wrong stuff gets spread very fast.
Edited by mousefan - 6/30/12 at 3:21am
post #235 of 840
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Originally Posted by MONVMENTVM View Post

Let's put it that way: Each and every mouse has negative accel - even the Intellis. It all depends at which movement speeds negative accel is starting to show (and the Intellis are NOT that great at that).
So if the Taipan has no constant positive acceleration (like the other 9500 and 9800 mice) it is fine. If the negative acceleration starts at I don't know how high of a movement speed (let's say over 3m/s)... it's fine too. I'm a mid to high sens user myself so I don't come near that movement speeds anyway.
But it's important that it has no constant positive or negative acceleration.

yep good thought. smile.gif
post #236 of 840
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Originally Posted by MONVMENTVM View Post

Let's put it that way: Each and every mouse has negative accel - even the Intellis. It all depends at which movement speeds negative accel is starting to show (and the Intellis are NOT that great at that).
So if the Taipan has no constant positive acceleration (like the other 9500 and 9800 mice) it is fine. If the negative acceleration starts at I don't know how high of a movement speed (let's say over 3m/s)... it's fine too. I'm a mid to high sens user myself so I don't come near that movement speeds anyway.
But it's important that it has no constant positive or negative acceleration.

From the producers of the series "every mouse has angle snapping even if it's not noticeable", we bring you another myth down in our newest post with "every mouse has negative accel after some point".

There'll be a moment you'll make someone cry by stating those facts so boldly, MONVMENTVM wink.gif

Anyway, I agree to that statement, but I disagree that high speeds shouldn't matter much. If anything, what matters the most is to have a linear relation of lower CPI/ higher PCS, as the higher the CPI the less the speed one will need to achieve a similar movement.

Mind you, I stopped using the AM just because it gave neg accel/skipped at my "normal" gaming speeds.

About accel, I rather have it constant than random. Why?
It should be easier to fix.
post #237 of 840
DeMS have you tried swapping the AM's lens for another 3090 compatible lens? Should give you higher tracking speeds but increase the LOD.
post #238 of 840
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Originally Posted by NuFon View Post

DeMS have you tried swapping the AM's lens for another 3090 compatible lens? Should give you higher tracking speeds but increase the LOD.

Didn't have the time to do that until now.

But I don't have the tools to cut any lens off, so not like I could do it.

In any event, it was one of several things I didn't like that much of the AM, so it wouldn't be worth it for me to swap only the lens (would have to get new switches too, but that means I would need more tools).
post #239 of 840
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Originally Posted by DeMS View Post

Didn't have the time to do that until now.
But I don't have the tools to cut any lens off, so not like I could do it.
In any event, it was one of several things I didn't like that much of the AM, so it wouldn't be worth it for me to swap only the lens (would have to get new switches too, but that means I would need more tools).

I don't know if they somehow changed the shape/construction of the lens but if they didn't it's just a matter of opening the mouse and simply swapping them. If it shouldn't fit perfectly into the mouse there might be some cutting/grinding needed but I doubt that they changed the basic shape of the lens.

Anyway I don't believe that every sensor has angle snapping (because after all it is an ADDED feature to the tracking algorithm). Negative acceleration on the other hand is a given because no sensor will ever be able to track at infinite speed, ergo every mouse will have negative acceleration/skipping. It's that easy tongue.gif.

It's all about: can a mouse sensor handle the incredible, the unreachable movement speeds of the wildest and fastest mouse swiping man on earth?

Actually it's probably not that dramatic but you get the idea. biggrin.gif
post #240 of 840
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Originally Posted by MONVMENTVM View Post

I don't know if they somehow changed the shape/construction of the lens but if they didn't it's just a matter of opening the mouse and simply swapping them. If it shouldn't fit perfectly into the mouse there might be some cutting/grinding needed but I doubt that they changed the basic shape of the lens.

AM uses a Kingsys lens, which has a different base shape as the one Avago uses. So yes, it involves cutting plastic.
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Originally Posted by MONVMENTVM View Post

Anyway I don't believe that every sensor has angle snapping (because after all it is an ADDED feature to the tracking algorithm). Negative acceleration on the other hand is a given because no sensor will ever be able to track at infinite speed, ergo every mouse will have negative acceleration/skipping. It's that easy tongue.gif.
It's all about: can a mouse sensor handle the incredible, the unreachable movement speeds of the wildest and fastest mouse swiping man on earth?
Actually it's probably not that dramatic but you get the idea. biggrin.gif

Afaik :

They need(ed) some kind of software correction to avoid jittering, which when eggagerated it is noticeable as angle snapping.

Interesting that you consider skipping as a negative accel phenomenon. wink.gif

Let's consider two types of skipping :
- Mouse doesn't track anymore -> Then negative accel = accel from the mouse "user". Magic!
- Mouse goes to one of the Y axis (points to ground-ceiling) -> Negative accel should only be able to stop your mouse, and at much, if we interpret it as an accel going on the opposite way, we would have that at faster speeds to one side, we would get our cursor to go to the other side. We can't reproduce that empirically, so no tongue.gif

As far as I can tell, some sensors just skip, without any noticeable negative accel. It could be also made via SROM to make the sensor track up to a certain speed and then just "disconnect" the data path to the USB cable to not to get negative accel too. In any event, even if those two phenomenons might be close in space and time, it doesn't mean they are the same.
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