Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › Razer Taipan
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Razer Taipan - Page 45

post #441 of 840
Sad to still see people buying inconsistent laser mice for $80.
post #442 of 840
Sad to see some people (Derp) still buying pointless mouse pads.
Defiance
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 6600K Asus ROG Maximum VIII Ranger Powercolor R9 280x Turbo Duo Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB Western Digital 3TB Black 1TB External HDD External Optical Drive 
CoolingOSKeyboardPower
Noctua NH-D15 Windows 10 Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Corsair HX750i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT H440 Black/Red Deathadder Chrome Turtlebeach Drift  
  hide details  
Reply
Defiance
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 6600K Asus ROG Maximum VIII Ranger Powercolor R9 280x Turbo Duo Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB Western Digital 3TB Black 1TB External HDD External Optical Drive 
CoolingOSKeyboardPower
Noctua NH-D15 Windows 10 Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Corsair HX750i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT H440 Black/Red Deathadder Chrome Turtlebeach Drift  
  hide details  
Reply
post #443 of 840
Quote:
Originally Posted by karod View Post

@pez
You want a smaller Deathadder. Don't look at the Taipan, rather get the Zowie EC2. (that is the only similar Deathadder mouse, that is smaller)

I remember reading about that one before. I'll have to do some more research first, though.
 
OverCoaster
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 7700K [4.5GHz] ASUS Z270i STRIX Titan X Pascal + Hybrid Corsair Vengeance LPX 3K [16GB] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 960 Evo [500GB] Mushkin Enhanced Reactor [1TB] Corsair H75 + F120MP Windows 10 Professional [x64] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer Predator X34 Dell P2012Ht Razer Blackwidow X TE Corsair SF600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NCASE M1 [v5] G403 Wireless QcK+ [Vault 111 Ed.] Schiit Bifrost Uber + Schiit Asgard 2 + TH-X00 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 4670K ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac ASUS GTX 1070 FE Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3 1866 [White Ed.] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung Evo 840 [250GB] Kingston HyperX Savage [480GB] Phanteks PH-TC14PE  Win 10 Pro [x64] 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2716DGR [144hz] KC60 [Miami Ed.] EVGA 550 G2 Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX [White] 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G403 SS QcK Heavy AudioQuest Dragonfly Black + Sennhesier HD650 
  hide details  
Reply
 
OverCoaster
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 7700K [4.5GHz] ASUS Z270i STRIX Titan X Pascal + Hybrid Corsair Vengeance LPX 3K [16GB] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 960 Evo [500GB] Mushkin Enhanced Reactor [1TB] Corsair H75 + F120MP Windows 10 Professional [x64] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer Predator X34 Dell P2012Ht Razer Blackwidow X TE Corsair SF600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
NCASE M1 [v5] G403 Wireless QcK+ [Vault 111 Ed.] Schiit Bifrost Uber + Schiit Asgard 2 + TH-X00 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 4670K ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac ASUS GTX 1070 FE Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3 1866 [White Ed.] 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung Evo 840 [250GB] Kingston HyperX Savage [480GB] Phanteks PH-TC14PE  Win 10 Pro [x64] 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2716DGR [144hz] KC60 [Miami Ed.] EVGA 550 G2 Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX [White] 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G403 SS QcK Heavy AudioQuest Dragonfly Black + Sennhesier HD650 
  hide details  
Reply
post #444 of 840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxadus View Post

So does the Sensei have the dust in sensor issue? Or did they fix it with the future renditions of the a9500? If so, I might just pick that up instead, lol. smile.gif
Keep in mind, I use a cloth mousepad, and I get lots of cat hair/Dust on it.

Lets say the issue is on a much smaller scale. If it happens, its once in a great while.

An example: My cursor went out of control randomly last week, but I didn't have to bother cleaning out the sensor hole as it continued functioning properly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by resis View Post

So I guess conclusion is, optical mice are still better? I wait for someone making a Sensei/Taipan shaped optical (yes, AM is, but has crummy buttons and wheel, at least my model).
I can't wrap my head around the fact that they still can't make a laser sensor that has no acceleration and performs good on cloth. Skylit said there are laser mice that have no acceleration, why not this?

This isn't an optical vs laser debate. The first CMOS based laser sensors were actually optical by design. They could make an optical version of this sensor and it would likely still have the same stupid issue. The actual "Laser" portion of these current mice is really good compared to previous renditions which typically performed poorly in terms of IPS and tracking quality (on cloth).

tl;dr

Older Laser illumination (VCSEL) > Low IPS on cloth> Trade off : Increased surface compatibility and performance on multiple surfaces.
Current Laser illumination (VCSEL) > Surface compatibility and performance all around. No real need for a mouse pad to get decent speeds or tracking, but optimal surfaces exist.
Optical illumination (LED) > Performs best on select surface, huge performance and tracking quality hit on poor surface.

When it comes to PTE, that's a completely different sensor in the way it functions. A CMOS vs Doppler debate would be fitting ;D
Edited by Skylit - 7/11/12 at 7:47pm
post #445 of 840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derp View Post

Sad to still see people buying inconsistent laser mice for $80.

Well, they have a whole market to go and fish something that works, even if that knowledge is not too widespread.

I would rather be sad to see opinions being taken more serious than objective, hard facts. That kind of hurts as a future engineer, but can't fight the masses. Let's just add a couple of LED's and they will forget any accel, right? wink.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by snipekill2445 View Post

Sad to see some people (Derp) still buying pointless mouse pads.

Sad to see some people saying they're not trying to pick a fight wink.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Lets say the issue is on a much smaller scale. If it happens, its once in a great while.
An example: My cursor went out of control randomly last week, but I didn't have to bother cleaning out the sensor hole as it continued functioning properly.
This isn't an optical vs laser debate. The first CMOS based laser sensors were actually optical by design. They could make an optical version of this sensor and it would likely still have the same stupid issue. The actual "Laser" portion of these current mice is really good compared to previous renditions which typically performed poorly in terms of IPS and tracking quality (on cloth).
tl;dr
Older Laser illumination (VCSEL) > Low IPS on cloth> Trade off : Increased surface compatibility and performance on multiple surfaces.
Current Laser illumination (VCSEL) > Surface compatibility and performance all around. No real need for a mouse pad to get decent speeds or tracking, but optimal surfaces exist.
Optical illumination (LED) > Performs best on select surface, huge performance and tracking quality hit on poor surface.

When it comes to PTE, that's a completely different sensor in the way it functions. A CMOS vs Doppler debate would be fitting ;D

Older laser sensors were marketed as LaserStream, weren't they? Afaik they were not thought of VCSEL.
In fact, opticals should be CMOS technology too, most of the Avago "laser" sensors are only a "tweak" on their older optical tech to make it work with a narrow(er) laser beam, as this would reveal more information on the tracking surface.

I would buy a Doppler-based mouse anyday as long as it was only able to track in X and Y axis - or if the Z axis bug disappeared - as long as there were perfectly flat surfaces to make it work the best thumb.gif

But I realize this would only help people who, like me, like hard mouse surfaces. People who like cloth might be better off with CMOS-based sensors with refined, more stable performance.
post #446 of 840
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeMS View Post

Older laser sensors were marketed as LaserStream, weren't they? Afaik they were not thought of VCSEL.

They're all VCSEL. 9500/9800 is also marketed as "LaserStream".
Quote:
In fact, opticals should be CMOS technology too, most of the Avago "laser" sensors are only a "tweak" on their older optical tech to make it work with a narrow(er) laser beam, as this would reveal more
information on the tracking surface.

? Of course they're both CMOS! Avago sensor tech (actually everything else besides PTE/Cypress ONS) operates like most cameras taking pictures at specific frame rate. Sensors with a larger pixel array are capable of imaging more accurate data. smile.gif

Quote:
I would buy a Doppler-based mouse anyday as long as it was only able to track in X and Y axis - or if the Z axis bug disappeared - as long as there were perfectly flat surfaces to make it work the best thumb.gif

I believe "z-axis" is required for the sensor to even track or else they would have to incorporate some hybrid method. I don't know much about the inter workings of PTE though.


PS: ST used to offer support for both VCSEL and LED illumination on multiple sensor packages.
Edited by Skylit - 7/11/12 at 9:26pm
post #447 of 840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derp View Post

Sad to still see people buying inconsistent laser mice for $80.

Not like people like me have a choice, shape > optics for me today.
There are just no good optical with perfect sensor for me, they just dont exist, simple as that.

The only one I can use is my deathadder 3g, but its also to big for my hands.
G400 is impossible to use.

mice like kana, kinzu is no option.
CM spawn, just no.
Savu, no.
etc

I dont suffer from a mice like avago 9500 compared to the best flawless optical anyway, same with prediction or without.
That I can adjust to easy, the shape and feel of a mouse I cannot, can be the best sensor in the world, if it hurts my wrist of feel bad (like savu side, weird glossy, bad switches etc)
Edited by Nivity - 7/12/12 at 3:48am
post #448 of 840
Sorry, I wasn't trying to pick a fight, It's just that, I ran outta toilet paper.

I know, bad excuse.
Defiance
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 6600K Asus ROG Maximum VIII Ranger Powercolor R9 280x Turbo Duo Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB Western Digital 3TB Black 1TB External HDD External Optical Drive 
CoolingOSKeyboardPower
Noctua NH-D15 Windows 10 Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Corsair HX750i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT H440 Black/Red Deathadder Chrome Turtlebeach Drift  
  hide details  
Reply
Defiance
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 6600K Asus ROG Maximum VIII Ranger Powercolor R9 280x Turbo Duo Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB Western Digital 3TB Black 1TB External HDD External Optical Drive 
CoolingOSKeyboardPower
Noctua NH-D15 Windows 10 Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Corsair HX750i 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT H440 Black/Red Deathadder Chrome Turtlebeach Drift  
  hide details  
Reply
post #449 of 840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

Not like people like me have a choice, shape > optics for me today.
There are just no good optical with perfect sensor for me, they just dont exist, simple as that.
The only one I can use is my deathadder 3g, but its also to big for my hands.
G400 is impossible to use.
mice like kana, kinzu is no option.
CM spawn, just no.
Savu, no.
etc
And the fact I do just as fine with a mice with avago 9500 as I do with a optical mouse without any "problems".
Aswell as I do with prediction or without.
I adapt, as most people can.
CM Storm Spawn is solid with the right firmware
Razer Abyssus is solid on Hard surfaces
Savu is solid mouse but high LoD and very subjective sides.
post #450 of 840
Quote:
Originally Posted by avinin1 View Post

CM Storm Spawn is solid with the right firmware
Razer Abyssus is solid on Hard surfaces
Savu is solid mouse but high LoD and very subjective sides.

CM storms shape is not for me.
Abyssus have no sidebuttons and dpi settings are useless.
Savus sides are the worst I ever felt on any mice, ever, only other contender in crap coating is G500 with the grainy plastic, hugaaaa.
And yeah before anyone say EC2 evo, huano still junk.


Xai is 100% perfection for my hand in terms of shape AND coating, the mouse itself is annoying however.
Hence I will most likley stuff the sensei inside my xai shell.

Still waiting for bsts 3900 mouse though, since the shape looks good.
Edited by Nivity - 7/12/12 at 3:08am
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › Razer Taipan