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Just remember the trick behind raiding SSDs. You don't get TRIM, so you have to use SSDs that include garbage collection and you have to remember to never fill them past the point where garbage collection fails.

That motherboard feature set really is quite something. I've tried many motherboard manufacturers over the years and have come to rely first on Soyo, then Asus; I've never owned an ASRock before though. Manufacturers that ended up in my 'avoid' category: Biostar, Gigabyte, and Foxconn. That's not to say that any of them are bad companies or make bad products, just that I've had so many bad experiences with them in the past I decided it just wasn't worth dealing with. With Asus, I can count on one of two scenarios: DOA or rock solid. Are ASRock motherboards pretty solid?

Since you're having pretty good luck getting companies to build new products for you, I wonder if you could convince someone to design a motherboard water block set for this ASRock Extreme 11.
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Originally Posted by Buska103 View Post

lol
how many fittings are you buying? That's intense.
I feel broke after buying 3 Phobya rotary adapters and a couple XSPC compression fittings laughingsmiley.gif

I'll post the list once its finalized and ordered....but it is somewhere around 150 fittings or so. I have the stupid idea to try and do a lot of fittings only (tubeless) connections between some of the rads and components. It will take a lot of fittings. Even if I were not going to try the fittings only approach in certain areas....I would need something like 30 compression fittings just to run tube! One of the hidden costs of having lots of radiators and blocks.
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150 fittings.... I think I'm gonna pass out now just thinking of the cost for them....
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Just remember the trick behind raiding SSDs. You don't get TRIM, so you have to use SSDs that include garbage collection and you have to remember to never fill them past the point where garbage collection fails.

Good point. And also make sure you ask your buddy what type of data is on the raid array. One of the reasons for my choice of the Vertex 4 is that the Indilinx controller does a great job with non-compressable data sequential writes (think video...which I store a lot of). But it is not quite as fast as even its little brother Vertex 3, and some of the other Sandforce controller drives, with data that can be highly compressed. Sandforce controllers compress data before writing it.


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That motherboard feature set really is quite something. I've tried many motherboard manufacturers over the years and have come to rely first on Soyo, then Asus; I've never owned an ASRock before though. Manufacturers that ended up in my 'avoid' category: Biostar, Gigabyte, and Foxconn. That's not to say that any of them are bad companies or make bad products, just that I've had so many bad experiences with them in the past I decided it just wasn't worth dealing with. With Asus, I can count on one of two scenarios: DOA or rock solid. Are ASRock motherboards pretty solid?
Since you're having pretty good luck getting companies to build new products for you, I wonder if you could convince someone to design a motherboard water block set for this ASRock Extreme 11.

This will be my first Asrock. I have always bought Gigabyte in the past. Never really had a problem with them....but the wording in the Bios menus and help screens really cracks me up sometimes. It sounds like it was written by someone who does not speak English as a first language (and probably was). Lots of incorrect grammar. tongue.gif
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I've read that once you get to 4 drives in RAID 0 that really you have diminishing returns.

Have you thought of using that hard acrylic tubing instead of fittings (the exact name of the tubing escapes me atm)

Also, next time you have to splice 50+ fans, think about getting a wire stripper wink.gif
I had a job making wiring harnesses for the US Govt. a couple of years back and these did the job quickly.
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I've read that once you get to 4 drives in RAID 0 that really you have diminishing returns.
Have you thought of using that hard acrylic tubing instead of fittings (the exact name of the tubing escapes me atm)
Also, next time you have to splice 50+ fans, think about getting a wire stripper wink.gif
I had a job making wiring harnesses for the US Govt. a couple of years back and these did the job quickly.

I've read the same thing on the 4 drives....but if I remember right....it was saturating a PCI 2.0 interface. Perhaps with PCI 3.0 we might get more bang out of a multi-SSD raid 0 setup?

I've seen some cool copper tubing runs (B-Negative has one going right now), but don't know anything about acrylic tubing. You mean just like PVC pipe? Wouldn't you still need fittings with that? Anyway...I'm not opposed to the fittings. They will be fun to play with.

I definitely used wire strippers when doing the fans. I have several pairs....but it wasn't real easy to find one locally that did 26 gauge wire. Most went down to 18 or 20. Finally found some though.
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There's talk about Intel adding raid 0 trim support to their RST drivers since about a year (should be version 11.5 that gets it), but nothing happened since the announcement. I was hoping this would be the catalyst for other manufacturers supporting it, so here's hoping...

Post a picture of your fingers after installing 150 fittings would ya? smile.gif
Edited by Whatts - 7/13/12 at 11:56am
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Post a picture of your fingers after installing 150 fittings would ya? :-)

Lol. Yeah....not looking forward to the aftermath of installation.
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My budy only has his OS plus one game and many disk benchkmarks, he's in for the e-peen, 120GB with his first two Agility 3 was enough for him. His raid size has tripled in the last month just for the sake of multiplying his write speed in benches (he doesn't do anything with that ... except load one or two game maps ...). I'll consider bus bandwidth since I think he's approaching a bottleneck with his raid on a card he doesn't have yet ROFL biggrin.gif Hopefully I can find him a 16 port 16x PCIe 3 card for 500$.

Anyone knows if HBAs can fit the bill, I've quickly seen some, they're less expensive than full blown raid cards and it looked like they can do stripping.
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I've seen some cool copper tubing runs (B-Negative has one going right now), but don't know anything about acrylic tubing. You mean just like PVC pipe? Wouldn't you still need fittings with that?

Wish I could remember where I find all these cool ideas. Maybe I should start bookmarking them when I find them biggrin.gif

I've seen copper tubing before being used with compression fittings:

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Found it! It's acrylic pipe. You would have to still use fittings for the bends:

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Edited by sortableturnip - 7/13/12 at 12:06pm
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