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Ha! And I didn't order from AquaComputer! smile.gif



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hmmmmm....they even sent me some pictures. this might be legit.


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They are blocking the pci express sign!
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They are blocking the pci express sign!

a little. but areca uses this version of the logo, so you wouldn't see any version # from it anyway.

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Looks pretty legit to me!
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You could almost build my entire computer for the price of that raid card :|
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Ha! And I didn't order from AquaComputer! smile.gif
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hmmmmm....they even sent me some pictures. this might be legit.


Damn, that looks like a tight squeeze getting a memory module in there. Wonder what the ram limit is on that? Also, only 3 (maybe 6 can't tell) SATA ports?
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You could almost build my entire computer for the price of that raid card :|

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Damn, that looks like a tight squeeze getting a memory module in there. Wonder what the ram limit is on that?

It comes with 1GB cache, and you can increase it up to 4GB for $150.

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Also, only 3 (maybe 6 can't tell) SATA ports?

The one pictures has 12 internal ports and 4 external. Those are mini-sas connectors on the end of the card, which you connect to 4 sata drives each.

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You could almost build my entire computer for the price of that raid card :|
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Both our PC's...combined... biggrin.gif

Nah. This version of the card would go for about $850. They have a 16 internal port that I could get for just under $1,000....which is what I think I'll do.
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I'm not sure if he's planning to use it or not, but the flow design I've been working on has evolved into this after some discussions in PM. It's not yet entirely complete as it doesn't include sensor data and what not, but I figured it would be a valid update from the previous flow design post.
Flow Design (Click to show)
Code:
     .-----.
     | Res |<----------------.
     |     |<------.         |              
     '-----'       |         |              
        |          |         |              
        v          |         |              
      (35X)        |         |              
        |          |         |              
        v          |         |              
      (480)        |         |       .-------.
        |          |         |       |   .---+---.
        v          |         |       |   |       |
      (240)        |         |       | .---.   .---.
        |          |         |       | |Brd|   |Brd|
        v          |     .---+---.   | |   |   |   |
      (480)        |     |       |   | '---'   '---'
  .-----+-----.    |   .---.   .---. |   ^       ^
  |    (X)A   |    |   |GPU|   |GPU| |   |       |
  v   .---.   v    |   |   |   |   | | .---.   .---.
(360) |AQ | (360)  |   '---'   '---' | |RAM|   |RAM|
  |   '---'   |    |     ^       ^   | |   |   |   |
  '-----+-----'    |     |       |   | '---'   '---'
        |          |   .---.   .---. |   ^       ^
        v          |   |GPU|   |GPU| |   |       |
      (480)        |   |   |   |   | |   '---+---'
        |          |   '---'   '---' |       |
        v          |     ^       ^   |     .---.
      (480)        |     |       |   |     |CPU|
        |          |     '---+---'   |     |   |
        v         (X)B       ^       |     '---'
     .-----.       |         |       v   C   ^
     | Res |->(35X)+-------->+<------+<-(X)--+
     |     |->(BP Dual D5)-------------------'
     '-----'

(X) = Valve

Flow Control
  • A : This controls water flow through the Aquaero water block. This was put in triple parallel with the AMS 360 radiators because of how ridiculously restrictive they are and further helps to allow better flow through the entire system. Depending on the settings of valves B and C, having this further open could significantly allow more recirculating flow through the entire radiator sub-loop.
  • B : This controls the flow rate of the recirculation sub-loop. The more open this valve becomes, the more radiator recirculating is done whilst decreasing the flow rate through the GPU water blocks causing the overall delta T to drop.
  • C: This controls the flow of fresh water directly from the pump to bypass the CPU sub-loop and go directly to the GPU sub-loop. Having it more open increases the flow rate through the GPUs and recirculating sub-loops (depending on B) and decreases the flow rate through the CPU sub-loop.
  • Combination: If both B and C are 100% closed, then the full pump pressure and flow from the dual D5 would go in directly serial through both the CPU sub-loop and GPU sub-loop with the GPU sub-loop gaining the flow rate from the 35x. Since the GPUs are in two by two parallel and series, effectively this makes the entire system run in a full serial loop.

Benefits
  • Full control over water flow through CPU, GPUs, and Radiators independant from each other. This allows for manual concentration of cooling for things such as benchmarks. For example, you could concentrate flow through the CPU sub-loop and radiator sub-loop (effectively leaving the GPUs with minimal cooling) while running CPU benchmark overclocks.
  • By means of the recirculation sub-loop, you gain repeat radiator flow; thus, you can effectively add and remove radiators from your loop simply by opening or closing valve B. This yields an infinitely variable delta T. If all 3 valves were 100% open, you would achieve the lowest possible delta T but neglect CPU and GPU block flow.
  • As long as B and C are not 100% open, the system has quad redundancy to varying degrees.
  • Allows you to cool all CPU and GPU blocks at the same flow rate with GPUs in parallel (less restriction) without needing 3 times the flow rate through serial radiators. Combining pumps and blocks in both parallel and serial allows for optimal water flow.
  • Having the AMS 360 radiators in triple parallel makes them significantly less impact on the flow rate of the system while maintaining the serial flow through SR-1s for best cooling. (a single AMS 360 has the same restriction as 4 SR-1 360s in serial)
  • Effectively uses two reservoirs as junction points for hot/cold water and low-high/high-low flow rate merging

Redundancy
  • If either 35X fails, reduced flow rate
  • If either D5 fails, reduced flow rate
  • If either D5 and either 35X fail, reduced flow rate
  • If both D5s fail: reduced flow rate, cpu would be cooled backward
  • If both 35X fail: reduced flow rate, about 80% decrease in cooling (D5 would start pulling water backward through bottom 35X), flow rate through GPU blocks would be minimal.
  • If any 3 pumps fail, the effect will be extremely dependant on what the B and C valves are set at. The only scenario I could say would still effectively cool all components for the long term is if the only pump left running were the bottom 35X. If the top 35X were left, the GPUs would be cooled fine, but the CPU would have minimal flow. If only a D5 were left, the CPU block would have flow, but the effectively no cooling.


Caveats
  • If you set valve B 100% open by accident, you effectively remove all GPU cooling. The only GPU block flow would be from the restriction of the valve itself.
  • If you set valve C 100% open by accident, you effectively remove all CPU cooling. The only CPU block flow would be from the restriction of the valve itself.
  • If 2 or 3 pumps fail, depending on which failed; the cooling could drop by 80% or so.

Edited by Electrocutor - 7/19/12 at 12:00pm
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I'm not sure if he's planning to use it or not, but the flow design I've been working on has evolved into this after some discussions in PM. It's not yet entirely complete as it doesn't include sensor data and what not, but I figured it would be a valid update from the previous flow design post. Flow Design (Click to show)
Code:
     .-----.
     | Res |<----------------.
     |     |<------.         |              
     '-----'       |         |              
        |          |         |              
        v          |         |              
      (35X)        |         |              
        |          |         |              
        v          |         |              
      (480)        |         |       .-------.
        |          |         |       |   .---+---.
        v          |         |       |   |       |
      (240)        |         |       | .---.   .---.
        |          |         |       | |Brd|   |Brd|
        v          |     .---+---.   | |   |   |   |
      (480)        |     |       |   | '---'   '---'
  .-----+-----.    |   .---.   .---. |   ^       ^
  |    (X)A   |    |   |GPU|   |GPU| |   |       |
  v   .---.   v    |   |   |   |   | | .---.   .---.
(360) |AQ | (360)  |   '---'   '---' | |RAM|   |RAM|
  |   '---'   |    |     ^       ^   | |   |   |   |
  '-----+-----'    |     |       |   | '---'   '---'
        |          |   .---.   .---. |   ^       ^
        v          |   |GPU|   |GPU| |   |       |
      (480)        |   |   |   |   | |   '---+---'
        |          |   '---'   '---' |       |
        v          |     ^       ^   |     .---.
      (480)        |     |       |   |     |CPU|
        |          |     '---+---'   |     |   |
        v         (X)B       ^       |     '---'
     .-----.       |         |       v   C   ^
     | Res |->(35X)+-------->+<------+<-(X)--+
     |     |->(BP Dual D5)-------------------'
     '-----'

Yes, this is what I'm leaning towards right now. Electrocutor, when you get some time, you might give your explanation of all the benefits this type of loop/subloop design has. I love the fact that with closing a few valves, its back to a single serial loop flow. Or by opening them some, I end up with the flexibility to control flow rates between the different subloops. Electrocutor has been kind enough to do a lot of the math for me on restriction caused by the different blocks in the loop or subloop, and make suggestion on required pump head required to achieve different flow rates through the different subloops. He seems to know his stuff. teaching.gif
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