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Would love some thoughts. I've hit the point where I need to go ahead and order my video cards. I'm leaving for 10 days on vacation in a couple of days, and I'm trying to plan for everything to be waiting on me when I get back. Here is my conundrum. I had originally been planning on 4x 680's in SLI. The Asrock Extreme11 has 7 slots, so with cards in 1, 3, 5 and 7, it takes up all the slots, since there are no single slot 680's right now (that I know of!) I had been hoping a single slot would be introduced before I reached the point where I needed to order. But I don't think there has been one released, and this presents a problem, since I have have a raid card also (already ordered...will be here tomorrow).

In addition to needed another slot...I'm running out of lanes! The raid card uses 8 lanes. I'm actually not even sure if there are any lanes available for the raid card if there are 4 graphic cards running at 16x. Information is vague or contradictory on whether the on-board LSI raid chip utilizes 8 of the available PCI lanes. The sandybridge-e architecture gives 40 lanes to start with, and the two PLX chips add 32 more for a total of 72 lanes. If there are 4 cards running at 16x each, that would be 64 lanes, and then if the on-board LSI chip also uses 8 lanes, ....then I'm left with no lanes for the Areca raid card. Go figure....72 PCI lanes and I'm struggling with whether they are enough. Things sure have changed in the last few years.

Anyway, here are some of the options I'm considering:

1) 3x 680's in SLI
2) 2x 690's in quad SLI
3) 2x 670's as temporary cards...knowing that the GK110 is what I really want and it should be out within 6 months (hopefully)
4) 4x 680's in SLI and use a funky PCI extender cable to utilize space between the double slot video cards and house raid card elsewhere (although they may not run at 16x under this scenario)

Other ideas? What would you do?
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Those are some sexy reservoirs Chris. I might have Alex Make me a couple with a LA Lakers theme. smile.gif I was going to place an order with Aquacomputer until I read your thread about them in the water cooling section. So, I decided to place an order with Aquatuning instead. These guys are super quick to ship. From Germany to Washington State in 2 days! You gotta love it! I bought 2 GTX 570 water blocks for an impending build. I'm trying to convince the wifey to let me buy a SMH10. My 3rd CaseLabs case, good god I hope she will say yes. biggrin.gif



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Originally Posted by cpachris View Post

Would love some thoughts. I've hit the point where I need to go ahead and order my video cards. I'm leaving for 10 days on vacation in a couple of days, and I'm trying to plan for everything to be waiting on me when I get back. Here is my conundrum. I had originally been planning on 4x 680's in SLI. The Asrock Extreme11 has 7 slots, so with cards in 1, 3, 5 and 7, it takes up all the slots, since there are no single slot 680's right now (that I know of!) I had been hoping a single slot would be introduced before I reached the point where I needed to order. But I don't think there has been one released, and this presents a problem, since I have have a raid card also (already ordered...will be here tomorrow).
In addition to needed another slot...I'm running out of lanes! The raid card uses 8 lanes. I'm actually not even sure if there are any lanes available for the raid card if there are 4 graphic cards running at 16x. Information is vague or contradictory on whether the on-board LSI raid chip utilizes 8 of the available PCI lanes. The sandybridge-e architecture gives 40 lanes to start with, and the two PLX chips add 32 more for a total of 72 lanes. If there are 4 cards running at 16x each, that would be 64 lanes, and then if the on-board LSI chip also uses 8 lanes, ....then I'm left with no lanes for the Areca raid card. Go figure....72 PCI lanes and I'm struggling with whether they are enough. Things sure have changed in the last few years.
Anyway, here are some of the options I'm considering:
1) 3x 680's in SLI
2) 2x 690's in quad SLI
3) 2x 670's as temporary cards...knowing that the GK110 is what I really want and it should be out within 6 months (hopefully)
4) 4x 680's in SLI and use a funky PCI extender cable to utilize space between the double slot video cards and house raid card elsewhere (although they may not run at 16x under this scenario)
Other ideas? What would you do?

The cards don't require 16x, they can just run at that bandwidth. If you start adding more cards, they'll most likely drop down to 8x. You're unlikely to see any noticeable difference between 16x and 8x, especially at PCI-E 3.0.

One thing to consider... since you're running them all with waterblocks, the only part that will be 2-slots is the bracket and the DVI area. It might be possible to remove the bracket from your other device and see if it will still fit. If you don't understand what I mean, I'll try to explain it in more detail.
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Originally Posted by cpachris View Post

Would love some thoughts. I've hit the point where I need to go ahead and order my video cards. I'm leaving for 10 days on vacation in a couple of days, and I'm trying to plan for everything to be waiting on me when I get back. Here is my conundrum. I had originally been planning on 4x 680's in SLI. The Asrock Extreme11 has 7 slots, so with cards in 1, 3, 5 and 7, it takes up all the slots, since there are no single slot 680's right now (that I know of!) I had been hoping a single slot would be introduced before I reached the point where I needed to order. But I don't think there has been one released, and this presents a problem, since I have have a raid card also (already ordered...will be here tomorrow).
In addition to needed another slot...I'm running out of lanes! The raid card uses 8 lanes. I'm actually not even sure if there are any lanes available for the raid card if there are 4 graphic cards running at 16x. Information is vague or contradictory on whether the on-board LSI raid chip utilizes 8 of the available PCI lanes. The sandybridge-e architecture gives 40 lanes to start with, and the two PLX chips add 32 more for a total of 72 lanes. If there are 4 cards running at 16x each, that would be 64 lanes, and then if the on-board LSI chip also uses 8 lanes, ....then I'm left with no lanes for the Areca raid card. Go figure....72 PCI lanes and I'm struggling with whether they are enough. Things sure have changed in the last few years.
Anyway, here are some of the options I'm considering:
1) 3x 680's in SLI
2) 2x 690's in quad SLI
3) 2x 670's as temporary cards...knowing that the GK110 is what I really want and it should be out within 6 months (hopefully)
4) 4x 680's in SLI and use a funky PCI extender cable to utilize space between the double slot video cards and house raid card elsewhere (although they may not run at 16x under this scenario)
Other ideas? What would you do?

Option 4, then replace with the GK110's when they're released wink.gif
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The cards don't require 16x, they can just run at that bandwidth. If you start adding more cards, they'll most likely drop down to 8x. You're unlikely to see any noticeable difference between 16x and 8x, especially at PCI-E 3.0. One thing to consider... since you're running them all with waterblocks, the only part that will be 2-slots is the bracket and the DVI area. It might be possible to remove the bracket from your other device and see if it will still fit. If you don't understand what I mean, I'll try to explain it in more detail.

There is enough lanes to have them all run at 16x if I don't add a raid card...but I have to add the raid card. But you're right that 1 of the cards would probably just drop down to 8x instead of 16x. But you may be right that 8x at PCI-e 3.0 is probably not much different than 16x at PCI-e 2.0. May not see any real difference.

The raid card has external SAS multi-lanes on the back of the card, so I don't think removing a bracket will help.


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Option 4, then replace with the GK110's when they're released wink.gif

You're not very easy on the wallet. smile.gif I haven't looked real hard, but I would need to make sure they even make PCI-e 3.0 extenders already. Raid card is PCI-e 3.0 and I want that badwidth available to it.


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Those are some sexy reservoirs Chris. I might have Alex Make me a couple with a LA Lakers theme. smile.gif I was going to place an order with Aquacomputer until I read your thread about them in the water cooling section. So, I decided to place an order with Aquatuning instead. These guys are super quick to ship. From Germany to Washington State in 2 days! You gotta love it! I bought 2 GTX 570 water blocks for an impending build. I'm trying to convince the wifey to let me buy a SMH10. My 3rd CaseLabs case, good god I hope she will say yes. biggrin.gif

Aquatuning does have impressive shipping. 3 caselabs, huh? You clearly are smitten. The SMH10 looks nice for a smaller build.
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Given that you're planning to upgrade - go for 2 x 670's - they really will be plenty for a 1440p@60Hz. In the max case get the 680's in tri SLI. It gives you time to sort out your raid config without having to worry about funky extenders.

Besides getting 4x680's on that monitor is a waste. I'm all for epeen and overkill, but if you're going epeen then upgrade the displays too. However if you're going to upgrade monitors then take a look at Vega's thread because he's had much better luck with the 7970s. Personally I'm sticking with my 3x580 3GB and single 1600p until some newer displays and GPUs come out.
     
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You're not very easy on the wallet. smile.gif

You've already spent $1k on fans...what's another $2k? biggrin.gif Remember, it's not over unless it's overkill biggrin.gif
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Aside from the current lack of full coverage water blocks, wouldn't using 2 690s solve all of your issues?
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I'd go for dual 670's considering the GK110 chipset is suppose to be killer. Patience is a virtue wink.gif
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Given that you're planning to upgrade - go for 2 x 670's - they really will be plenty for a 1440p@60Hz. In the max case get the 680's in tri SLI. It gives you time to sort out your raid config without having to worry about funky extenders.
Besides getting 4x680's on that monitor is a waste. I'm all for epeen and overkill, but if you're going epeen then upgrade the displays too. However if you're going to upgrade monitors then take a look at Vega's thread because he's had much better luck with the 7970s. Personally I'm sticking with my 3x580 3GB and single 1600p until some newer displays and GPUs come out.

True and sage advice. And although I am probably going to bump to a 30 inch 1600p, I probably won't ever do anything as wild as what Vega has done. But I will most likely get one of the Wacom Cintiq's as a second display/input device. I know it probably still doesn't require 4 way SLI, but would at least justify 2 or 3 way. Plus, Adobe After Effects now can utilize multiple GPU's for certain effects. So even if I wasn't using an SLI setup for game fps, I might utilize it for media creation.

Would be an easier choice if I had a better idea when GK110 was coming out.


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You've already spent $1k on fans...what's another $2k? biggrin.gif Remember, it's not over unless it's overkill biggrin.gif

Hard to argue there.


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Aside from the current lack of full coverage water blocks, wouldn't using 2 690s solve all of your issues?

Yes. It would solve the spacing issues. Other than 4x 680's, it would be the most GPU power I could get. The 690's automatically run at PCI-e 3.0 speeds instead of 2.0 as the 680's do (without the recent hack). There is a lot to like about a 2x 690 solution. Even one of the negative things that gets thrown out a lot doesn't apply if you are water cooling them. Some negative points in reviews talk about how the 680's exhaust out the rear of the case while the 690 exhausts in the case. If water cooled, even the negative wouldn't apply. And since the 690's have their own PLX chips inside....yes, it even solves my # of lanes issue. Solves slots, solves # of lanes, still lots of power. The only negative is its an expensive temporary setup if GK110 comes out before Christmas. I thought I had seen several full cover 690 blocks. EK?


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I'd go for dual 670's considering the GK110 chipset is suppose to be killer. Patience is a virtue wink.gif

By far the most practical way to wait for the GK110.
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