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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought for high fin density radiators (like the AIOs) high static pressure fans were needed, and for low fin density radiators are better off with higher cfm fans. I know you said high speed fans, but high speeds don't necessarily correlate to performance. A lower speed fan with higher static pressure will perform better than a high speed fan with high cfm but low static pressure.
Tower coolers will beat a similarly priced AIO in terms of performance, but the noise output will depend on the fan used. If you go for a full water cooling set up, the noise output will be much lower than that of a tower cooler since you can run fans at a lower rpm because of the specific heat density of water.

Most AIO rads have a fairly thick/dense fin array and would perform better with higher static pressure fans (like corsair SP series). Most tower coolers have a more open/less-dense fin design and thus perform better with fans designed for higher CFM but lower static pressure (like corsair AF series).

AIOs and towers each have their trade-offs and both will perform very well and do so quietly, if setup properly.

Generally speaking; the larger the rad the more fans you can have and the slower you can run the fans and maintain effectiveness. However, a good quality tower cooler can cool nearly as well as a 120mm AIO and run quieter while doing so.

So you're right, but it all depends on what you want.
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Was able to fit a kraken x41 in mine recently, although it required me to rip off one the screw down points off of my fan controller on the back. I always leave it on medium so that doesnt matter. It is also practically touching the graphics card so I lined the side of the rad with electrical tape. Very tight fit but it works great.
 
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Generally speaking, the pump noise from an AIO will be louder and have more chatter than high quality fans with a good heatsink. The real drawback of AIOs in terms of noise has been the pump design.

Also, a 140mm radiator will not cool as well as a good heatsink at similar fan speeds - they mostly rely on loud, high pressure fans to compete. Try reviewing the performance of the Kraken X41 vs NH-U14s and you'll see what I mean, especially as you start overlocking and need to speed up your (high quality, high pressure) fans (the X41 has an excellent fan, as noted by the spcr review above).

That said, you probably won't notice unless your room is very quiet, especially when you're sitting on your couch and your PC is on a shelf. Also, a custom loop should be able to cool more effectively and at similar noise levels/frequencies to a high-end heatsink, the only drawback being cost.
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Interesting thoughts and suggestions about watercooling and aircooling CPUs....I never thought about it like that!!

As I stated earlier, I'm currently running an AMD 3870k with a Noctua NH-C12P SE14 CPU cooler with the stock 140mm fan but I wanted to use all of my HDD bays for 6 drives, so I had to change out the fan on the cooler to a Noctua NF-B9-1600 92mm on the same cooler. And while the case was open I was inspired to do a little cable management (after seeing all of your pics) and decided to upgrade to 16GB and install an PCI-E internal dual sata3 controller to utilize all 6 HDD slots...but then saw that my Noctua aircooler was in the way of everything frown.gif Thus the thought of going the route of a watercooler. I might need to rethink my upgrade
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For those of you who are running acrylic panels on your Nodes how did you guys mount the acrylic panels to the case?

I need some panels for this beauty biggrin.gif


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Interesting thoughts and suggestions about watercooling and aircooling CPUs....I never thought about it like that!!

As I stated earlier, I'm currently running an AMD 3870k with a Noctua NH-C12P SE14 CPU cooler with the stock 140mm fan but I wanted to use all of my HDD bays for 6 drives, so I had to change out the fan on the cooler to a Noctua NF-B9-1600 92mm on the same cooler. And while the case was open I was inspired to do a little cable management (after seeing all of your pics) and decided to upgrade to 16GB and install an PCI-E internal dual sata3 controller to utilize all 6 HDD slots...but then saw that my Noctua aircooler was in the way of everything frown.gif Thus the thought of going the route of a watercooler. I might need to rethink my upgrade

If the noctua cooler is in the way then by all means go with an AIO. The point that some of us were trying to make was that the AIO can be matched by cheaper tower coolers. The corsair h60 I have in my rig has very little pump noise (not noticeable 2 feet from rig, but even at 1 feet the room has to be quiet to hear it). The stock corsair fan was easily the loudest part of my rig so I replaced it with a gentle typhoon and now I can't tell if the computer is on if it weren't for the blue led.thumb.gif
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Here's my 304 setup:

Setup
Silverstone ST55F-G 550w PSU
Silverstone short cable kit
Asus Impact VII
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16gb G.Skill DDR3 2400
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Test Fitting
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This old Zalman heat sink fan I had BARELY fit
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Testing out wire routing
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I didn't like how the PSU would exhaust it's air into the case, so I made a duct out of the foam the video card came in & some push pins.
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Added foam to the intake on the video card to help it draw more air from outside the case
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Generally speaking, the pump noise from an AIO will be louder and have more chatter than high quality fans with a good heatsink. The real drawback of AIOs in terms of noise has been the pump design.

In my Antec 620 though I never really heard the noise of the pump, it was all the fan (well, the wind) whether push or pull. Right before I shut down the computer and still pretty much into a several thousand soldier battle in Total War I tested it by opening the case and disconnecting the fan, and I couldn't hear anything but the whoosh from the intake fans. Disconnected those too, and still no pump noise.

Or is the Asetek pump/block used in this actually a relatively silent one?

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Generally speaking, the
Also, a 140mm radiator will not cool as well as a good heatsink at similar fan speeds - they mostly rely on loud, high pressure fans to compete. Try reviewing the performance of the
Kraken X41 vs NH-U14s and you'll see what I mean, especially as you start overlocking and need to speed up your (high quality, high pressure) fans (the X41 has an excellent fan, as noted by the spcr review above).

Personally the only thing AIOs have going for them is the usually easier fit, since tower coolers are huge and can have incompatibilities between the RAM and the fan, or the GPU, or even the case. If none of those are an issue I would recommend a tower cooler more.
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Generally speaking, the pump noise from an AIO will be louder and have more chatter than high quality fans with a good heatsink. The real drawback of AIOs in terms of noise has been the pump design.

Also, a 140mm radiator will not cool as well as a good heatsink at similar fan speeds - they mostly rely on loud, high pressure fans to compete. Try reviewing the performance of the Kraken X41 vs NH-U14s and you'll see what I mean, especially as you start overlocking and need to speed up your (high quality, high pressure) fans (the X41 has an excellent fan, as noted by the spcr review above).

That said, you probably won't notice unless your room is very quiet, especially when you're sitting on your couch and your PC is on a shelf. Also, a custom loop should be able to cool more effectively and at similar noise levels/frequencies to a high-end heatsink, the only drawback being cost.

The pumps on both my H60 and H55 are pretty much silent. All I hear is a gentle "woosh" from the fans at 7v and a tiny bit of buzz from the fan that's against the exhaust grill.

I've heard several people say the pumps can be loud but I've never experienced this myself.

The thing about AIOs is even if they require a higher fan speed or make a little more noise to cool the same as a quality tower cooler, towers aren't always the most practical solution. It all depends on the specific setup and the preferences of the builder. I'm not crazy about the look of tower coolers, I prefer a cleaner look and I like having more space to work on the PC without having to remove the cooler and re-apply the paste every time. I also like that AIOs relocate where the heat exchange is taking place and exhaust all heat directly outside the case, which helps keep interior case temps down. I prefer my system be as quiet as possible, but I can deal with a little bit of noise. Also, with the G10+H55 on the GPU, it's FAR quieter than it ever was during gaming. All fans run at constant 7v and never have to "ramp" beyond that to keep everything nice and cool. wink.gif

So yeah, specific setup and user preference should determine which is best-suited.
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Hey guys, how you doing?

First of all, thank you for all your posts, helped me a lot to choose the optimum components for me. The case arrived yesterday:




The components arrived today too, so will do the build tonight:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII IMPACT Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (second will be bought later this month)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 (White) Mini ITX Tower Case (obviously)
Power Supply: be quiet! 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
Keyboard: Gigabyte GK-K8100 Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech Performance Wireless Laser Mouse

I'd like to ask you guys a question, which fan brand you preffer? Noctua or Be Quiet! for the 2x92mm and 1x140mm case fans? I really aim for quietness..
Might end up with a GPU later, but I don't really play current games on PC (Civ IV FTW biggrin.gif ).

Another question is on monitor - I'd fancy the LG 25" UHD 2560 x 1080 screen. Will the Intel HD 4600 on the i5 handle this screen with another Full HD Plasma? Anyone? I couldn't really find a definitive answer to this question anywhere mad.gif

Again thank you for existing ! :-)

P.S. Us, the white case owners are quite the minority, what gives? rolleyes.gif
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