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As the title suggests, I would like to thank both Seagate and Western Digital for keeping hard disk drive prices at their presently inflated levels. I understand there was a flood in Thailand and some supplies of critical parts would be interrupted for a time. Lots of opinions and speculation floating around re: whether the flooding really caused any shortages but that's a moot point now.

I was not a big fan of SSD drives, at first. I believed that the "tried and true" mechanical drives were superior due to their "set it and forget it" ease of installation and maintenance. Trim support? Garbage collection? Tuning your system for efficient use a much smaller capacity? 17 times the price per gb (I Bought 1tb drives for as low as $50 and 60gb SSD's for the same). I thought that I could wait till the technology got a little more affordable and the drives a little easier to integrate into my system. I also understand that a lot of enthusiasts LOVE the challenge and the chance to tinker with their rigs. I like to tinker but I'm NOT a big fan of being frustrated.

My 3 gaming rigs each had a SSD for boot and a mechanical drive for data and that has served me well for the past 6 months or so. Rather than wait for drive prices to drop back to pre-flood levels to upgrade my rig(s) I decided to try an "All SSD" gaming rig. SSD prices have dropped dramatically lately and the technology such that only minor tweaks to a few windows settings are enough to ensure smooth, trouble-free operation.

My backup gaming rig now sports an OCZ Agility III 64GB boot drive and a raid 0 of an OCZ 60GB Agility II and OCZ 60GB Vertex II for data. I was stunned at the speed my rig booted and loaded games. I draw a few watts less than the mechanical drives I had in a raid and the 3 SSD's fit into a hot-swap bay in a single 5 1/4" slot. Now how cool is that? coolsmiley02.gif

Needless to say, I am saving for a 240GB Agility III or 256GB Plextor SSD for my main gaming rig. The mechanicals?......... they're acting as bookends on a shelf. I still need them for my server for the sheer capacity, but for my gaming rigs, goodbye mechanical! wave2.gif

Thanks again Seagate and WD, I owe it all to you.
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Cool story bro haha jk I hoped on the SSD band wagon too and don't regret it one bit it's easily the best upgrade to any system at their new price point makes Windows 7 run like it should
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You got that right! Too bad that the capacities are still so low.... I'd love to populate my server with SSD's biggrin.gif
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SSD prices are still too high for me, considering how much storage I'd require. I'm creeping up towards 1TB of Steam games, 1TB of personal data, 5TB+ of other stuff...

I do love the speed, which is why my OS drive is a 30GB SSD - but since I'd have to firmly manage my data even on a 256-512GB SSD, there's no point for me to get one just yet.

I did upgrade to 16GB of RAM because I kept running out... and sure enough, after only a few months I got into a multitasking situation where I ran out again! I guess I need 32GB of RAM... tongue.gif that may be my next upgrade, before I buy a larger SSD. Then again, if Crucial M4's keep dropping in price, I might pick up one of those - my current SSD is incompatible with sleep mode, but M4's are not. thumb.gif
     
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I'd like to thank them for scooping up all smaller HDD manufacturers and becoming giant monopolies who make crappy products. Thank you WD for now killing off Hitachi. My server is full of Hitachi drives. Thanks. Now I'm going to have to build a whole new server just so I can have an array that use drives that 1. still exist, 2. will be all the same drives, and 3. cost about one week's worth of pay. Thanks both of you for duping the know-it-all high school economists into trying to convince the smart people that the whole situation was a pure market reaction of supply and demand, when it was just price fixing/gouging. Markets react when supply goes down and demand goes up. Prices going 3-4x higher overnight is not how a free market is to work. Thanks for now showing us that the prices will never come down to what they were.
 
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I'd like to thank them for scooping up all smaller HDD manufacturers and becoming giant monopolies who make crappy products. Thank you WD for now killing off Hitachi. My server is full of Hitachi drives. Thanks. Now I'm going to have to build a whole new server just so I can have an array that use drives that 1. still exist, 2. will be all the same drives, and 3. cost about one week's worth of pay. Thanks both of you for duping the know-it-all high school economists into trying to convince the smart people that the whole situation was a pure market reaction of supply and demand, when it was just price fixing/gouging. Markets react when supply goes down and demand goes up. Prices going 3-4x higher overnight is not how a free market is to work. Thanks for now showing us that the prices will never come down to what they were.

Sorry to hear that..... I know what you mean, my HTPC, NAS, VMware Host and Server use a total of 9 Samsung drives.... who just recently got bought out by Seagate..... Great mad.gif I just wish I would have stayed consistent and used all 1tb drives. Mine are a match of 1tb, 1.5tb and 2tb. Retiring my gaming rig's mechanicals would have given me another half doz "spares" biggrin.gif

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I should mention that I just had a hdd failure in my Server raid 10, a Seagate Barracuda 1tb died. I happened to have a spare so I could get the raid rebuilt while waiting for an RMA. Yes, I'm not too pleased with Seagate for drive prices but the Barracuda has a 5yr warranty and I got a replacement 2nd day air.... not too shabby customer service. Also, I got back a (refurbished) Barracuda 1tb, unlike my son who got a 1tb caviar blue as an RMA for his 750gb Black and my Brother-in-law who got a different drive in exchange for his WD Black.
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SSD prices are still too high for me, considering how much storage I'd require. I'm creeping up towards 1TB of Steam games, 1TB of personal data, 5TB+ of other stuff...
I do love the speed, which is why my OS drive is a 30GB SSD - but since I'd have to firmly manage my data even on a 256-512GB SSD, there's no point for me to get one just yet.
I did upgrade to 16GB of RAM because I kept running out... and sure enough, after only a few months I got into a multitasking situation where I ran out again! I guess I need 32GB of RAM... tongue.gif that may be my next upgrade, before I buy a larger SSD. Then again, if Crucial M4's keep dropping in price, I might pick up one of those - my current SSD is incompatible with sleep mode, but M4's are not. thumb.gif

Wow! eek.gif 1tb on Steam and running out of memory with 16gb?!?! I thought my game folder was big at 180+gb. That was why I was looking at the 240-256gb SSD's, just so I could get the OS + Steam on my gaming rig.

My Brother-in-law just helped his son build a new computer. He does quite a bit with it, gaming, video and programming and used a 32gb quad-channel kit. I thought that was pretty excessive but now I'm re-thinking that one biggrin.gif Too bad that SSD's aren't as cheap as DDR3 memory.

I use a Crucial M4 for one of my gaming rigs and my son also uses one for boot on his..... good drives. thumb.gif I'm liking the Plextor for my biggest SSD purchase, $200 for 256gb. I can see my gaming rigs all SSD..... provided my Steam folder doesn't grow TOO much bigger biggrin.gif
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I'd like to thank them for scooping up all smaller HDD manufacturers and becoming giant monopolies who make crappy products. Thank you WD for now killing off Hitachi. My server is full of Hitachi drives. Thanks.
Hmm? I thought unlike Seagate, which absorbed and altered the manufacturing process, WD left Hitachi drive production mostly as-is?

Makes sense... most of WD's facilities were down thanks to flooding, but Hitachi's were not.
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Now I'm going to have to build a whole new server just so I can have an array that use drives that 1. still exist, 2. will be all the same drives, and 3. cost about one week's worth of pay. Thanks both of you for duping the know-it-all high school economists into trying to convince the smart people that the whole situation was a pure market reaction of supply and demand, when it was just price fixing/gouging. Markets react when supply goes down and demand goes up. Prices going 3-4x higher overnight is not how a free market is to work. Thanks for now showing us that the prices will never come down to what they were.
Oh, that's exactly how the free market works - because monopolies are a natural part of the free market. It's the Borg™ syndrome. One company assimilates them all. (Except to avoid antitrust, there are two Borgs which secretly work together. (Microsoft and Apple, Seagate and WD, Intel and AMD, nVidia and AMD/ATI, etc.)
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Wow! eek.gif 1tb on Steam and running out of memory with 16gb?!?! I thought my game folder was big at 180+gb. That was why I was looking at the 240-256gb SSD's, just so I could get the OS + Steam on my gaming rig.
Some new games are 30GB+ each.... tongue.gif It's easy to creep up there with a few hundred games.

The memory one really surprised me - but I suppose that's what happens when you have an extension loaded Firefox, two games, lots of office work, a RAMdisk, and some other stuff running in the background. You run out, and find out you need more... redface.gif
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My Brother-in-law just helped his son build a new computer. He does quite a bit with it, gaming, video and programming and used a 32gb quad-channel kit. I thought that was pretty excessive but now I'm re-thinking that one biggrin.gif Too bad that SSD's aren't as cheap as DDR3 memory.
Doesn't seem excessive to me. thumb.gif
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I use a Crucial M4 for one of my gaming rigs and my son also uses one for boot on his..... good drives. thumb.gif I'm liking the Plextor for my biggest SSD purchase, $200 for 256gb. I can see my gaming rigs all SSD..... provided my Steam folder doesn't grow TOO much bigger biggrin.gif
M4's are great, and the Plextor M3 Pro looks awesome. If you can fit what you need on it, go for it. It's a great buy. smile.gif
     
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I'll buy another wd blue 500GB when they come back down to $44 ..If they don't ..they don't biggrin.gif
or a few SSDs in RAID and thumb my nose at WD. tongue.gif
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Monopolies are not a natural occurrence of the free market. They only exist through lobby, by using government to make policy to shut down the little guys, and THEN assimilate them. In a pure free market it just wouldn't happen.
 
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