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Btw if the OP got WiFi, that also causes cancer. smile.gif
Everything with an electric pulse nowadays cause cancer.

I hope you're being sarcastic.
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I hope you're being sarcastic.
He may be joking, but hes right. EMF generated by electronic devices like your router or cell phone can cause very serious damage to your genetic structure. I don't keep my cell phone in my pants pocket or shirt pocket because of this type of thing.
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post #13 of 20
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He may be joking, but hes right. EMF generated by electronic devices like your router or cell phone can cause very serious damage to your genetic structure. I don't keep my cell phone in my pants pocket or shirt pocket because of this type of thing.

Read my previous post. EMF does not have enough energy to damage your DNA structure.
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No, what I meant is, that the OP doesn't have to be scared. Because almost everything in the modern society has the potential to cause cancer, even different chemicals they spray on veggies to keep them from getting eaten.
So I would be more afraid of my cellphone than the lights under my keyboard. It's not like plastic covers up radiaton that well either. rolleyes.gif
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He may be joking, but hes right. EMF generated by electronic devices like your router or cell phone can cause very serious damage to your genetic structure. I don't keep my cell phone in my pants pocket or shirt pocket because of this type of thing.

No. Absolutely not. Anything with a wavelength longer than UVB has no capacity to break bonds, especially of organic molecules. Stop spreading lies.
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No. Absolutely not. Anything with a wavelength longer than UVB has no capacity to break bonds, especially of organic molecules. Stop spreading lies.

It's not a lie. We don't know the extent yet, but scientists from all over the world have identified this as a serious problem. Go read the literature.
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On May 21, 2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a committee of 27 scientists from 14 different countries working on behalf of the World Health Organization (WHO), also concluded that exposure to cell phone radiation is a "possible carcinogen" and classified it into the 2B category. This is the same category as the pesticide DDT, lead, gasoline engine exhaust, burning coal and dry cleaning chemicals, just to name a few.

The WHO isn't spreading lies; This is a serious concern, one important enough to be vetted and studied by scientists all over the word. There is lot's of evidence out there to support the damage of genetic cellular structure from continued exposure to EMF.

http://vimeo.com/17266941#
Commonwealth Club 11-18-10. Panel II – Martin Blank, PhD, Associate Professor, Columbia University, Department of Physiology and Cellular Biophysics; Researcher in Biolelectromagnetics; Author of the BioInitiative Report’s (Bioinitiative.org) section on Stress Proteins; Editor of the journal Pathophysiology’s special issue on Electromagnetic Fields, March 2009; and Past President, Bioelectromagnetics Society.

Yeah, this guy is lying... lol.
And if that isn't enough information to remedy your misconception, watch a panel of Phds tell you how you are wrong.
Stop spreading your ignorance.
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post #17 of 20
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It's not a lie. We don't know the extent yet, but scientists from all over the world have identified this as a serious problem. Go read the literature.
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On May 21, 2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a committee of 27 scientists from 14 different countries working on behalf of the World Health Organization (WHO), also concluded that exposure to cell phone radiation is a "possible carcinogen" and classified it into the 2B category. This is the same category as the pesticide DDT, lead, gasoline engine exhaust, burning coal and dry cleaning chemicals, just to name a few.
The WHO isn't spreading lies; This is a serious concern, one important enough to be vetted and studied by scientists all over the word. There is lot's of evidence out there to support the damage of genetic cellular structure from continued exposure to EMF.
http://vimeo.com/17266941#
Commonwealth Club 11-18-10. Panel II – Martin Blank, PhD, Associate Professor, Columbia University, Department of Physiology and Cellular Biophysics; Researcher in Biolelectromagnetics; Author of the BioInitiative Report’s (Bioinitiative.org) section on Stress Proteins; Editor of the journal Pathophysiology’s special issue on Electromagnetic Fields, March 2009; and Past President, Bioelectromagnetics Society.
Yeah, this guy is lying... lol.
And if that isn't enough information to remedy your misconception, watch a panel of Phds tell you how you are wrong.
Stop spreading your ignorance.

ROLF climate change is a lie...

If you have ever actually watched a video of the presentation that started it all then you notice he says there is a complicated relationship between CO2 and Temp changes. In actual fact there is a better and greater link between solar activity and temp changes. Do you see that in the mass media? No, because one government jumped on the bandwagon, so did everyone else. Now everyone is brainwashed into think CO2 causes climate change.

It might attribute, however that are larger factors at work. Just because a 'scientist' says it is, doesn't mean it's true. Look at Einstein theory of relativity.... If Light isn't an absolute, most of the modern world physics is based of a theory that is wrong.

Just because one person contradicts another, doesn't mean they are wrong or ignorant.

Next you are going to say mobile phones can cause a petrol station to ignite....
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You are poorly informed all the way around. I'm not going to go OT with climate change, although if you think there is a serious debate among the truly scientific community (higher educated, Phds) about global warming, you are sorely mistaken. You also apparently do not know the meaning of the word ignorant

Ignorant: Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
It is not an insult, as ignorance is what drives science and the pursuit of knowledge to begin with. Ignorance does not mean I doubt his intelligence, I'm just informing him of what he might be ignorant to. I doubt he's seen all of this information or literature about EMF, so I share that I might enlighten and dispel ignorance.

“It never ceases to surprise me at the infinite capacity of the human mind to resist the introduction of useful knowledge.”
-Thomas Raynesford Lounsbury

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*head to desk*

To tired to read correctly.

I forget people still use the weird stuff called wireless router. I have been running wires for years.
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Originally Posted by Defunctronin View Post

It's not a lie. We don't know the extent yet, but scientists from all over the world have identified this as a serious problem. Go read the literature.
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On May 21, 2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a committee of 27 scientists from 14 different countries working on behalf of the World Health Organization (WHO), also concluded that exposure to cell phone radiation is a "possible carcinogen" and classified it into the 2B category. This is the same category as the pesticide DDT, lead, gasoline engine exhaust, burning coal and dry cleaning chemicals, just to name a few.
The WHO isn't spreading lies; This is a serious concern, one important enough to be vetted and studied by scientists all over the word. There is lot's of evidence out there to support the damage of genetic cellular structure from continued exposure to EMF.
http://vimeo.com/17266941#
Commonwealth Club 11-18-10. Panel II – Martin Blank, PhD, Associate Professor, Columbia University, Department of Physiology and Cellular Biophysics; Researcher in Biolelectromagnetics; Author of the BioInitiative Report’s (Bioinitiative.org) section on Stress Proteins; Editor of the journal Pathophysiology’s special issue on Electromagnetic Fields, March 2009; and Past President, Bioelectromagnetics Society.
Yeah, this guy is lying... lol.
And if that isn't enough information to remedy your misconception, watch a panel of Phds tell you how you are wrong.
Stop spreading your ignorance.

Martin Blank talked in sweeping generalities. He said early in his talk that he was going to provide a mechanism for DNA damage by non-ionizing radiation, but never did.

I'm 11 months away from my own biology degree. I know the literature. I deal with it on a daily basis. "Electromagnetichealth.org", on the other hand, is a crackpot, nutjob website if I've ever seen it. That site reeks of conspiracy theories on the order of cold fusion, UFOs, and chemtrails.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22534362
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In 2007 a task group of scientific experts convened by the World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledged the IARC categorization but found that the laboratory studies and other research results did not support the association.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21873036
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the study did not confirm the suspicion of increased cancer risks associated with radiation for most cancer types in this village. Misclassification of past exposures could explain the negative finding.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21638213
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reveals no or only scant evidence for the assumption that RF EMF exposure poses a hazard to children

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20846133
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The balance of epidemiologic evidence indicates that mobile phone use of less than 10 years does not pose any increased risk of brain tumour or acoustic neuroma. For long-term use, data are sparse, and the following conclusions are therefore uncertain and tentative.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21437920
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From the results, we suggested that simultaneous exposure to CDMA and WCDMA RF-EMFs did not affect lymphoma development in AKR/J mice.

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/103/16/1211.long
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The results of these epidemiological investigations have been largely consistent and reassuring, with the World Health Organization (WHO) and the US National Cancer Institute concluding that there is no conclusive or consistent evidence that nonionizing radiation emitted by cell phones is associated with cancer risk

www.sfdph.org/dph/files/reports/.../RadioFreqRadRpt032001.pdf

(This is an excellent review. I watched your videos, so I ask that you read through this.)
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Because of weaknesses, current evidence does not suggest that living near broadcast towers would lead to an increased risk of cancer.

This one actually directly refutes the second video from your second link, as it shows the cancer cluster was an isolated anomaly that only persisted for a 2 year period. Cancer rates returned to expected levels after that. RF output did not change, so clearly there was no causal link.
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Overall, despite some provocative findings, due to the lack of consistency among cancer subtypes and the methodological weaknesses of many of the positive studies, the occupational epidemiology literature does not provide support for a link between RFR and cancer.
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All of these studies concluded that RFR is not harmful below levels that produce thermal effects.

Edited by aroc91 - 6/9/12 at 3:54pm
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