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I understand what r u trying to say, and i also do not think that many of those reviews r not so true ! So i would love to see comparation between two chips ( u said u have i5 2500K and u can clock it on similar clocks ) to see who is right. I do not belive that i5 2500k is so much faster.
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I understand what r u trying to say, and i also do not think taht many of taht reviews r not so true ! So i would be nice to see comparatio between two chips ( u said u have i5 2500K and u can clock it to similar clocks ) to see who is right. I do not belive that i5 2500k is so much faster.

Personally, and this is just my suspicion and opinion, I don't think it's that the "reviews" are untrue so much as they are using faulty benchmarks. We know for a fact that certain benchmarks were compromised because they were compiled using intels compilers and libraries which included that infamous "CPUID Vendor" check that would disable accelerations for anything but "genuineIntel". Programs such as PCMark05, Everest Ultimate, Sysmark were all proven to show bias. We know that after the 2010 FTC ruling intel was only required to post a notice on the website and not remove the biased CPU dispatcher from it's compiler and libraries. We know that as of the last version of their compiler it has been reported that the CPU dispatcher no longer affects performance on AMD CPU's but Intel has remained silent on whether or not the libraries have been fixed as well. What we don't know is if any of the benchmarks that we see used (other than sysmark) actually still use intel's compiler or libraries or if they do they are patched to remove the CPU dispatcher vendor check. With all of that in mind I tried to do a VMWare virtual machine CPUID mask but wasn't successful so I went ahead and ordered a VIA Nano CPU/MB so that I can use Agner Fog's (The guy who broke the story in the first place back in 2005) CPUID manipulation program for Nano's (they have the ability to have their CPUID modified). I plan on testing as many benchmark programs as I can as well as common games we see in the reviews as well. I'll start a new thread with the results as they either confirm or dispel my suspicions.

Edit - Just to be clear so that it doesn't start a "Flame War", I'm not "Bashing" Intel CPU's or implying they are bad in any way. I'm only talking about any possible effects the compilers and libraries may or may not have with non-Intel CPU's.
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Personally, and this is just my suspicion and opinion, I don't think it's that the "reviews" are untrue so much as they are using faulty benchmarks. We know for a fact that certain benchmarks were compromised because they were compiled using intels compilers and libraries which included that infamous "CPUID Vendor" check that would disable accelerations for anything but "genuineIntel". Programs such as PCMark05, Everest Ultimate, Sysmark were all proven to show bias. We know that after the 2010 FTC ruling intel was only required to post a notice on the website and not remove the biased CPU dispatcher from it's compiler and libraries. We know that as of the last version of their compiler it has been reported that the CPU dispatcher no longer affects performance on AMD CPU's but Intel has remained silent on whether or not the libraries have been fixed as well. What we don't know is if any of the benchmarks that we see used (other than sysmark) actually still use intel's compiler or libraries or if they do they are patched to remove the CPU dispatcher vendor check. With all of that in mind I tried to do a VMWare virtual machine CPUID mask but wasn't successful so I went ahead and ordered a VIA Nano CPU/MB so that I can use Agner Fog's (The guy who broke the story in the first place back in 2005) CPUID manipulation program for Nano's (they have the ability to have their CPUID modified). I plan on testing as many benchmark programs as I can as well as common games we see in the reviews as well. I'll start a new thread with the results as they either confirm or dispel my suspicions.
Edit - Just to be clear so that it doesn't start a "Flame War", I'm not "Bashing" Intel CPU's or implying they are bad in any way. I'm only talking about any possible effects the compilers and libraries may or may not have with non-Intel CPU's.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESULTS!
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I understand what r u trying to say, and i also do not think that many of those reviews r not so true ! So i would love to see comparation between two chips ( u said u have i5 2500K and u can clock it on similar clocks ) to see who is right. I do not belive that i5 2500k is so much faster.

I have already benchmarked FX-8120 and 2500k you can see in my sig.
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I have already benchmarked FX-8120 and 2500k you can see in my sig.

yes but we need new game on that, refresh that. well nvm someone will thumb.gif
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LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESULTS!

I'll let you know when the board comes in. I ordered it Sunday and it looks like it's shipping today so with the holiday I'm guessing I'll get it either Sat or Monday.
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Funny my MSI BIG BANG Xpower2 LGA2011 with my Intel i7 3820 @4.7 ghz does not either I guess according to you (Gaming)...... Yeah I got both!

BD is GREAT and Im not affraid to say it!

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Just because 990FX mobos have the ability to run 3 or 4 way GPU setups doesn't mean bulldozer has the single threaded performance to drive those setups anywhere near their maximum....


Funny my MSI BIG BANG Xpower2 LGA2011 with my Intel i7 3820 @4.7 ghz does not either I guess according to you (Gaming)...... Yeah I got both!

BD is GREAT and Im not affraid to say it!

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To all of those who are wondering about my crossfire 7970 + 8120/8150 benchmark, I did not forget thumb.gif , I'm picking up the card tomorrow (Thursday).
   
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