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I've been really wanting to see an 8120 Shogun 2 benchmark if you have the game, ever since I looked at the Shogun 2 benchmark on this page:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/05/01/intel-core-i5-3570k-cpu-review/6
It was noticeable how much ivy bridge blew away sandy bridge there, presumably because of the updated instruction set. Now Bulldozer made a big deal of a supposedly modern & ready for the future instruction set, so it would be interesting to see how it did specifically in Shogun 2. If it has the same instruction benefits, it should at least out pace the phenoms significantly. But Bulldozer had some sort of bug that didn't play well with Shogun 2, so it hasn't been benchmarked. The fix has been out for some time, but bit tech lied about getting around to running a Bulldozer Shogun 2 bench later, and I've wanted to see how Bulldozer runs, particularly since Shogun 2 benches so well on AMD graphics cards (creative assembly had some sort of co-operation with AMD during development). Long story short, it's really the only Bulldozer bench I want to see, particularly if you can come close to the settings the bit tech guys used. Particularly using the CPU benchmark test rather than the more common GPU test.
Edit: The Bulldozer bug is fixed through a bios update of some sort. Apparently it also affects a few other games as well.

I don't currently have Shogun 2: total war, but I might buy it if people are interested in how it performs with bulldozer.

The Sabertooth 990fx board that I am using has its BIOS updated to the most current.
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Subbed. I'm doing the same thing with an FX-6100 and HD5870 in my 6100 OC'ing thread. Where did you get the mods for Skyrim? It really is a horribly coded game. Why would you offload shadow detail to the CPU and yet only really fully utilize 1 core for the game?? Bad port of a console game IMHO. What area of WOW did you use to bench it?
It's really amazing at the amount of bad information out there in the threads with common sense and reality playing no part at all. When you're looking at 2 CPU's and one is posting minimum 90 FPS in XYZ game and the other is posting minimum 70 FPS, it's not which CPU is better at gaming and which "sucks", it's which one is more overkill than the other (99% of people out there gaming are using 60Hz monitors).
Edit - Which program did you use to log and graph CPU & GPU usage? I've been looking for one like that with no success.

I got all of my skyrim mods from nexus mods.

I took the WoW benchmark while flying around Azshara, and landing to kill random mobs.

I used aida64 to log the CPU and GPU usage. I ran fraps alongside to capture the framerates, as aida64 doesn't collect that. I then imported those numbers into MS excel and graphed it.
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Skyrim is not coded for multiple threads and doesn't use any cpu optimizations (sse2/3, AVX et) and offloads shadow detail rendering onto the CPU. So really you're only going to see 1 core being utilized which is why the 2500K/2600K do better in skyrim because of higher single core performance.
BF3 on the other hand is not CPU intensive at all and GPU performance is far more critical (as is available PCIE bandwidth and GPU mem bandwidth)
http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-performance/page7.html
All you need to play BF3 at max is a 4GHz quad core and a really good GPU.
Edit - I would however expect to see some of those dual cores in the list to dip significantly during a massive multiplayer map.

I will be running a second round of benchmarks on games like BF3, Crysis2, and MW3 in multiplayer, as well.
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Actually, when comparing multi-threaded performance BD is superior to intels Hyperthreading. Basically each "Module" is in essence somewhere between an intel core with HT and a true dual core. The advantage of the BD design is that each "thread" has dedicated hardware resources as opposed to the intel design where each thread has to wait for available resources or utilize resources not currently in use. The reason sandy bridge CPU's do better in some gaming situations is because of the increase IPC of an intel core vs the BD "sub" core (half a module) which makes a difference in games that utilize only one or two cores at most (pointing at skyrim among others). Move to a heavily multi-threaded game and the difference between an 8120/50 and 2500K is not so large anymore and is very close in performance.
Only 2 "cores" are above 40% usage in his graph and he's not using a stock install of skyrim. He's using the modded version. Here's what skyrim unmodified looks like on an FX-6100.
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Note the heavy usage on core 6.

My Skyrim install itself is stock, and I am just running mods that do things like increase texture resolutions to 2k, etc. I didn't run anything that changes the way the game runs, though.
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It's normal, what is not normal is high cpu usage and low gpu usage, nice benchmarks though mate.
Thanks. Collecting this information is actually sorta fun.
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Thomas, you are truly and gentleman and a scholar. biggrin.gif

Thanks! smile.gif
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I don't currently have Shogun 2: total war, but I might buy it if people are interested in how it performs with bulldozer.
The Sabertooth 990fx board that I am using has its BIOS updated to the most current.
I got all of my skyrim mods from nexus mods.
I took the WoW benchmark while flying around Azshara, and landing to kill random mobs.
I used aida64 to log the CPU and GPU usage. I ran fraps alongside to capture the framerates, as aida64 doesn't collect that. I then imported those numbers into MS excel and graphed it.
I will be running a second round of benchmarks on games like BF3, Crysis2, and MW3 in multiplayer, as well.
My Skyrim install itself is stock, and I am just running mods that do things like increase texture resolutions to 2k, etc. I didn't run anything that changes the way the game runs, though.
Thanks. Collecting this information is actually sorta fun.
Thanks! smile.gif

Don't forget, it's not only fun but informative too. Helps dispel all of the cloudy half truths and outright lies being told about BD and gaming.

Edit - so with a little single core testing (benchmarks) performance didn't change one iota by disabling one core per module. Guess that says something for the efficiency of sharing the resources.

Edit of the Edit (edited by chilean whooping llamas) - So here are the results for skyrim with only 1 core enabled per module.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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That's compared to with all 6 cores min=28, avg=47.399 & Max=62. In other words basically the same (a 2fps deviation in min fps can easily happen between 2 runs with the same settings)
Edited by Bubba Hotepp - 6/8/12 at 6:25pm
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Cannot test SLI until the other 680 gets back from RMA. I unfortunately had one go south on me before I could do the testing. Hopefully MSI gets out a replacement fairly quick.
Yeah, honestly I expected mw3 to not really stress a 680 all that much, as mw3 is essentially mw2 with new maps/skins... In this case, that means the limiting factor _should_ be something else, this could be a fps cap or vsync (which isn't the case, here) or other hardware in the system, such as a CPU, etc., as they/it will need to work harder to keep up with the under-stressed GPU.

Will you be doing any 7970 CF testing with this setup?

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It depend , I used to have the fx 8120 at 4.8ghz with the sli gtx 680 , if I play the game everything max out with vsync on only I used around 45-70% of the card , but if I turn off the vsync both of my cards used to hit 93% + all the time

Thanks for this! Any games in particular?
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Subbed! Getting off work right now, but i'll be checking out the results later on tonight! thumb.gif

Out of curiosity, what do you score in Cinebench 11.5 with your SV02 system?
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SVThomas, I just realized I was running Skyrim without any patches. I updated it and now get these results -
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Interesting that going from straight disk install to the 1.5 patch boosts min and avg FPS.

Edit - After downgrading to TESV.exe 1.4.21 and installing skyboost
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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So from what I can gather, these guys embarressed Bethesda enough to make them start using CPU optimizations starting with 1.4.15 and as you can see with the 1.5 update my min FPS increased to 35. Yet it's still not as good as the group that made skyboost which raised min FPS to 45. *shaking head* and the coders at Bethesda get paid for what they do......rolleyes.gif

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2advanced: metro 2033, battlefield 3 , lost planet 1 ,medal of honor ,plus benchmark the only exception was crisys 2 for some reason it will never past of 65% gpu in the both card ( amd or Intel ) same % but recently I get my first 120hz monitor and now crisys 2 it will hit 90% plus all the time , I don't know why it didn't with my old 60hz with the vsync off .
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There are a ton of mistakes in this post. Particularly regarding hyperthreading. BTW, check the hard drive on your laptop. It may be a 5400rpm slow POS, which when combined with limited RAM is far more likely to be the cause of multi-tasking lag than the number of cores on your CPU.
the hard drive mentioned in my rig setup is not the one from my laptop but from my ancient computer...and you cannot deny the fact that in laptops either i3 would be good since it's cheaper therefore you're saving $$ or get i7 which costs more though it gives you 2 extra cores thus better gaming and more multi tasking...Also, forgive me if i don't know much about how hyper threading really works but what i know is, 4 cores wouldn't be enough in near future :/
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2advanced: metro 2033, battlefield 3 , lost planet 1 ,medal of honor ,plus benchmark the only exception was crisys 2 for some reason it will never past of 65% gpu in the both card ( amd or Intel ) same % but recently I get my first 120hz monitor and now crisys 2 it will hit 90% plus all the time , I don't know why it didn't with my old 60hz with the vsync off .

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Great Job!!!
I have been trying to tell people for some time now that the BD is a great CPU for gaming and video editing, and it offers 3-4way sli/xfire option too, with the 990fxa mobo's. How can you ask for more at such a great price?
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4.8ghz with a single GPU? I don't think anyone would claim BD would hurt you there. Nice overclock man.
    
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CPU limited in every game so adding a second 680 won't bring that much of an improvement, although BF3 doesn't seem as affected as the rest.

MW2 is atrocious!

If I dropped that much cash on a GPU I would want that bad boy running at full tilt and giving me the performance that I paid for.

Also to show the chip in true light you really need to list the minimum frame rates as well as the average.
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