Unless you get a really crappy board I think they can all do about the same clocks. The advantage is with presets and auto adjustments within the bios. A Motherboard that is well suited for Ram overclocking will auto adjust all your secondary/subs accordingly. Also as you've seen, these nicer boards allow for timing adjustments in the OS for on the fly adjustments.
This is what I have noticed anyway.
Oh... oh man, all this time i thought a 'ram overclocker' board was like a big deal, like it reached higher scores and everything. I thought it was the only thing that differentiated a high end board from each other and from mid-range boards (as VRM by then is a non-issue). Don't most of you guys tweak your subs anyways? I mean I know I always tweak every single one, no ty auto.
As for timing adjustments in the OS, you can do that? Is that really board based? Can't software on one board be run on the others? Can you really change the timings on some of these Z87 boards in the OS? I could on Z77X-UD3H but I thought something about Z87 we couldnt do taht anymore (per the warning on the greet page on the asus memtweakit about how we cant change timings on haswell yet).
But so does this mean that for someone like me, who is going for performance, and is tweaking every single sub timing
, ram overclockability on a board doesnt matter? Like I literally put every single timing to it's tightest by 1. Took a few weeks but i did it.
A good board is more efficient and runs memory bettter. For example, the ocfm is almost effortless to use. Pop in some ram and it just works. I've used an mpower where it could run samsungs fine but psc wouldnt work. With some bios work, the msi runs psc now, but I never tried pushing them on that board. The same samsung kit runs at higher clocks on my ocf compared to the mpower.
What does this mean? You couldnt run PSC on stock settings on the mpower? And are you sure it's not just the mpower being sucky (ew msi)? And if it works now, sounds just like normal glitchy release-BIOS issues that all the boards have, doesnt sound like a particular thing to blame msi or mpower with, all the boards had a slew of problems at release with the BIOS.
But same kit running higher clocks on the OCF than the mpower, so basically a better RAM clocker can (possibly) run higher RAM clocks? In which case, it doesnt matter to people like me looking for performance, even benching performance or superpi scores, because usually the top frequencies your RAM can do is worse performance than slightly slower but much tighter settings, right? I mean I can probably do 3ghzCL14 24/7 stable on this kit of RAM i got on my UD3H but the performance, superpi, maxxmem scores would just be awful compared to 2666 CL11 or 2800 CL12.
So basically... a 'ram clocker good' board like the impact or OCFM is only for people who do validations of high frequency, and/or people who what, run many different kits of RAM and the board (or really the BIOS) is tweaked to hit the ground running with whatever and any kit of RAM you throw in and dont spend much time tweaking subs because they just test so many different kits?
Was picking the UD3H the right choice or should I have gotten the OCFM/Sniper instead (though I got it from microcenter combo so that might tip things more in favor of ud3h given the ~120 price I paid).
@Belial : I mean stability, i dont know if my VRM is good enough related to stability. Because after success run, suddenly it wont stable at all. System restart and failed to load bios, have to set default first, then start from scratch. I satisfied with my Z87M-D3H right now, I wish my kit works better on good motherboard like others do,
I'm a little confused what you are trying to say. Your VRM should be more than fine. You just might have chip break-in, it's apparently extremely common with haswell. I got it, hard got it, everyone's got it it seems. I'm not so sure you got a bad motherboard, still trying to understnand this mobo deal.
it'a all about bios and the rest is peanut butter and jelly ,Asus and ASRock have the best team and it shows ,the difference with Impact is less components and they all have very short "pulse"
so if its all about bios, why isnt the awesome BIOS of say, the OCFM, not on the lower end extremes, or the awesome bios of a OC not on the UD3H? It's all the same chipset right? Is this an issue of 'cant' or 'wont' and the motherboard companies are trying to limit awesomeness on the lower end boards?
So I can understand the impact, it's good because it only has 2 dimms, less tracing, meaning quicker response times between RAM and IMC, meaning it is slightly better clock for clock, but that's the only micro-atx board with 2 dimms right? What about all the other boards, like the full size boards?
rep all aroundEdited by Belial - 11/28/13 at 1:45am