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2600 cl8 is wicked. You might have to up it to 9 for stability.
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2600 cl8 is wicked. You might have to up it to 9 for stability.

Ah...i see. Thanks, i'll give it a shoot later.
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you should be able to run them 7-11-7-28 @1200 on air as far as 2600 goes I would say Impact is the board to do it ,there is more then few screenes I posted some pages back ,Sam posted few as well
    
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whats the difference of a good ram overclockability board like the impact or OCFM? And how does the G1 sniper compare to the OCFM or OC since it's the same price?

Does it mean you can make RAM that'd be 2600 CL8 go to 2600 CL7? Or does it mean you can do like 2800 when you'd be limited to 2600 otherwise?

Because I can run like 2933mhz stable on my Z87X-UD3H wih the same kit as I described a few posts above, but 2933 CL13 is a lot worse in performance than 2800 CL12 (according to maxxmem) so I dropped it down. So does that mean ram overclockability on a high end board is only useful for validations? Or does it mean you can reach lower timings for the same hardware on one board over another?

And how do I tell if my motherboard is a good ram clocker, the Z87X-UD3H? I mean I look at the maxxmem scores of others and I dont see anyone close to what I'm getting. So does that mean my UD3H is better than everyone else or the RAM is better or what?
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Unless you get a really crappy board I think they can all do about the same clocks. The advantage is with presets and auto adjustments within the bios. A Motherboard that is well suited for Ram overclocking will auto adjust all your secondary/subs accordingly. Also as you've seen, these nicer boards allow for timing adjustments in the OS for on the fly adjustments.

This is what I have noticed anyway.
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A good board is more efficient and runs memory bettter. For example, the ocfm is almost effortless to use. Pop in some ram and it just works. I've used an mpower where it could run samsungs fine but psc wouldnt work. With some bios work, the msi runs psc now, but I never tried pushing them on that board. The same samsung kit runs at higher clocks on my ocf compared to the mpower.

You're running mfr, which doesn't perform well even with high clocks. Most everyone in this thread buys performance ram to run benchmarks, we don't use it for daily 24/7 stability and we don't run P95. Pretty much, we like running super pi 32m and use the board which works best and gives us the best results. Many of us agree that the OCF is the best board for this. The impact is very good for max validations.

The way to tell if a board clocks ram well is compare your results to others. You need similar kits of ram to be able to do this.
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Still the same, not stable. I think i have to get a new better mobo like all of you. I have to learn from all of you from this thread, i admire all of your skill to drive all of those incredible sticks thumb.gif. Mr. Splave, Mr. Loud, Mr. CHL, Mr. Sam OCX, Mr. Websmile, Mr. Stickg1, Mr. Bullant with fantastic 2800C6 and especially Om Roy "Dumo" thumb.gif, and the other. I just "air clocker", not like you all. But i learn alot from all those screenshoot to push the timing without setting it manual with trial n error biggrin.gif

Here in indonesia is hard to find a good stick available in the market. If there is, the pro and ectreme oc has an eagle eye to snap them first redface.gif.

i hope with new mobo, i can push all stick i have into better timing. And now i run them with IGP, because my brother steal most of my parts mad.gif

@Belial : I mean stability, i dont know if my VRM is good enough related to stability. Because after success run, suddenly it wont stable at all. System restart and failed to load bios, have to set default first, then start from scratch. I satisfied with my Z87M-D3H right now, I wish my kit works better on good motherboard like others do,
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whats the difference of a good ram overclockability board like the impact or OCFM? And how does the G1 sniper compare to the OCFM or OC since it's the same price?

Does it mean you can make RAM that'd be 2600 CL8 go to 2600 CL7? Or does it mean you can do like 2800 when you'd be limited to 2600 otherwise?

Because I can run like 2933mhz stable on my Z87X-UD3H wih the same kit as I described a few posts above, but 2933 CL13 is a lot worse in performance than 2800 CL12 (according to maxxmem) so I dropped it down. So does that mean ram overclockability on a high end board is only useful for validations? Or does it mean you can reach lower timings for the same hardware on one board over another?

And how do I tell if my motherboard is a good ram clocker, the Z87X-UD3H? I mean I look at the maxxmem scores of others and I dont see anyone close to what I'm getting. So does that mean my UD3H is better than everyone else or the RAM is better or what?

it'a all about bios and the rest is peanut butter and jelly ,Asus and ASRock have the best team and it shows ,the difference with Impact is less components and they all have very short "pulse"

@Formula44 stick around ,practice and learn your timings ,it's not hard at all
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Unless you get a really crappy board I think they can all do about the same clocks. The advantage is with presets and auto adjustments within the bios. A Motherboard that is well suited for Ram overclocking will auto adjust all your secondary/subs accordingly. Also as you've seen, these nicer boards allow for timing adjustments in the OS for on the fly adjustments.

This is what I have noticed anyway.

Oh... oh man, all this time i thought a 'ram overclocker' board was like a big deal, like it reached higher scores and everything. I thought it was the only thing that differentiated a high end board from each other and from mid-range boards (as VRM by then is a non-issue). Don't most of you guys tweak your subs anyways? I mean I know I always tweak every single one, no ty auto.

As for timing adjustments in the OS, you can do that? Is that really board based? Can't software on one board be run on the others? Can you really change the timings on some of these Z87 boards in the OS? I could on Z77X-UD3H but I thought something about Z87 we couldnt do taht anymore (per the warning on the greet page on the asus memtweakit about how we cant change timings on haswell yet).

But so does this mean that for someone like me, who is going for performance, and is tweaking every single sub timing, ram overclockability on a board doesnt matter? Like I literally put every single timing to it's tightest by 1. Took a few weeks but i did it.
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A good board is more efficient and runs memory bettter. For example, the ocfm is almost effortless to use. Pop in some ram and it just works. I've used an mpower where it could run samsungs fine but psc wouldnt work. With some bios work, the msi runs psc now, but I never tried pushing them on that board. The same samsung kit runs at higher clocks on my ocf compared to the mpower.

What does this mean? You couldnt run PSC on stock settings on the mpower? And are you sure it's not just the mpower being sucky (ew msi)? And if it works now, sounds just like normal glitchy release-BIOS issues that all the boards have, doesnt sound like a particular thing to blame msi or mpower with, all the boards had a slew of problems at release with the BIOS.

But same kit running higher clocks on the OCF than the mpower, so basically a better RAM clocker can (possibly) run higher RAM clocks? In which case, it doesnt matter to people like me looking for performance, even benching performance or superpi scores, because usually the top frequencies your RAM can do is worse performance than slightly slower but much tighter settings, right? I mean I can probably do 3ghzCL14 24/7 stable on this kit of RAM i got on my UD3H but the performance, superpi, maxxmem scores would just be awful compared to 2666 CL11 or 2800 CL12.

So basically... a 'ram clocker good' board like the impact or OCFM is only for people who do validations of high frequency, and/or people who what, run many different kits of RAM and the board (or really the BIOS) is tweaked to hit the ground running with whatever and any kit of RAM you throw in and dont spend much time tweaking subs because they just test so many different kits?



Was picking the UD3H the right choice or should I have gotten the OCFM/Sniper instead (though I got it from microcenter combo so that might tip things more in favor of ud3h given the ~120 price I paid).
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@Belial : I mean stability, i dont know if my VRM is good enough related to stability. Because after success run, suddenly it wont stable at all. System restart and failed to load bios, have to set default first, then start from scratch. I satisfied with my Z87M-D3H right now, I wish my kit works better on good motherboard like others do,

I'm a little confused what you are trying to say. Your VRM should be more than fine. You just might have chip break-in, it's apparently extremely common with haswell. I got it, hard got it, everyone's got it it seems. I'm not so sure you got a bad motherboard, still trying to understnand this mobo deal.
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it'a all about bios and the rest is peanut butter and jelly ,Asus and ASRock have the best team and it shows ,the difference with Impact is less components and they all have very short "pulse"

so if its all about bios, why isnt the awesome BIOS of say, the OCFM, not on the lower end extremes, or the awesome bios of a OC not on the UD3H? It's all the same chipset right? Is this an issue of 'cant' or 'wont' and the motherboard companies are trying to limit awesomeness on the lower end boards?

So I can understand the impact, it's good because it only has 2 dimms, less tracing, meaning quicker response times between RAM and IMC, meaning it is slightly better clock for clock, but that's the only micro-atx board with 2 dimms right? What about all the other boards, like the full size boards?


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You're running mfr, which doesn't perform well even with high clocks. Most everyone in this thread buys performance ram to run benchmarks, we don't use it for daily 24/7 stability and we don't run P95. Pretty much, we like running super pi 32m and use the board which works best and gives us the best results. Many of us agree that the OCF is the best board for this. The impact is very good for max validations.

The way to tell if a board clocks ram well is compare your results to others. You need similar kits of ram to be able to do this.

They are Hynix CFRs actually, this $56 kit. I posted about it a few months ago when I first bought it and was asking if I should buy it or not, I think I posted pics even. Aren't hynix CFR considered great RAM? Better than your average PSC/BBSE as long as your IMC can do high speeds (ofc good psc/bbse > everything), and slightly worse than Samsung HCH9 (which are way more expensiver anyways, cheapest is tridentz for $100 and half the time its hynix or hyk0 anyways)?

Check out the results I posted a few posts up. Are those not good results?

So a good ram board is both can reach higher clocks than on another board, the automatic RAM timings are good (this doesnt seem very important, i mean its the hardware we care about right?), and what,m performance per clock? So the OCF at the same clock/timings is going to perform better, ie in superpi, benchmarks, etc, than on another board?

And you can tell this by... i dont understand, i mean how exactly are you comparing results? People using different ram, different binning, different CPUS? How can you know its the board and not one of them any other factors,is the difference just so large? Like you copmare your superpi vs superpi of someone else using differnt board, same ram, but what about different timings and stuff? Or are you doing same timings? How do you even know, i mean are there enoughj people doing this comparison? Or is it just one guy saying 'hey my ocfm results are better than yours when, using the same ram and copying the timings you posted.?
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Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
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Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
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Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
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Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
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Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
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Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
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Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
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Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
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Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
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Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
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Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
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Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
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Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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