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6/10/12 at 11:53pm
I can say with good confidence that you won't hit a VRAM wall with a 570 if you're gaming at 1080 right now. I don't believe there are many (if any) games thusfar that will use more than 1.3 GBs of VRAM at 1440p, either; BF3 perhaps. For Eyefinity/Surround, I'd suspect there are a few that do, and many that come very close.

I wouldn't purchase a 570 if you plan to game at 1080 for the next 3 years. Within 3 years, you'll almost definitely need to go SLI and then you'll find yourself hitting the VRAM wall soon after. This is the inevitable problem with calling this a high end card; it doesn't have the longevity that it ought to for it's pricerange. If you upgrade every year or two, the 570 is a good choice right now but arguably not the best.

Really, I don't think any person should be buying these right now.
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Originally Posted by Sexparty View Post

Claiming the game is a VRAM hog is fine, I agree it does use a lot.
But to say it soaks up all the VRAM that's available even when it doesn't need it is false. Pure and simple because my system has 6000MB of VRAM spread accross 3x GPUs and all of it isn't being used.
Some games and benchmarking tools can use less but from what I've seen on my system it's only around 200-300MB per GPU and always at lower resolutions which to me, isn't really significant.

V ram does not stack.... it is whatever the card has. If you have two cards with different amounts the lower will be the active one.
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Hey is the GTX 570 good ? cuz some1 is selling them to me for 200 each .......... i plant to run them in SLI
Can that Setup get me 70fps + in BF3?????????????

A single 570 gtx at 860 core gets about 60ish fps (dipping to mid 50s) on ultra with fxaa @ 1080p
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6/11/12 at 12:07am
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I can say with good confidence that you won't hit a VRAM wall with a 570 if you're gaming at 1080 right now. I don't believe there are many (if any) games thusfar that will use more than 1.3 GBs of VRAM at 1440p, either; BF3 perhaps. For Eyefinity/Surround, I'd suspect there are a few that do, and many that come very close.
I wouldn't purchase a 570 if you plan to game at 1080 for the next 3 years. Within 3 years, you'll almost definitely need to go SLI and then you'll find yourself hitting the VRAM wall soon after. This is the inevitable problem with calling this a high end card; it doesn't have the longevity that it ought to for it's pricerange. If you upgrade every year or two, the 570 is a good choice right now but arguably not the best.
Really, I don't think any person should be buying these right now.

BF3 on ultra with FXAA on my 670s uses ~1,500Mb Vram @ 1080p, other than BF3, Skyrim (with mods uses ~1,400Mb) and crysis 2 with dx11 and the ultra texture pack no other game I have exceeds 1Gb (or very rarely gets close).
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6/11/12 at 12:08am
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But to say it soaks up all the VRAM that's available even when it doesn't need it is false. Pure and simple because my system has 6000MB of VRAM spread accross 3x GPUs and all of it isn't being used.

You do realize that VRAM does not multiply when you SLI cards?

If you have 3x 2 GB cards, then you effectively only have 2 GB VRAM...........not 6.
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for 300 bucks the 7870 is infinitely better than a 570.

Better? Yes

Infinitely better? Not even close. They are basically the exact same performance ATM, but the AMD card has more VRAM.
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I wouldn't purchase a 570 if you plan to game at 1080 for the next 3 years. Within 3 years, you'll almost definitely need to go SLI and then you'll find yourself hitting the VRAM wall soon after.

What card doesn't that apply to though?

In one year, the 670s will be in the same position as the 570s.
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6/11/12 at 1:06am
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Better? Yes
Infinitely better? Not even close. They are basically the exact same performance ATM, but the AMD card has more VRAM.

GTX 570 same performance as HD 7870. that is totally wrong. HD 7870 has better performance out of the box than GTX 570. has more overclocking headroom. 1150 Mhz - 1200 Mhz is easy. 1250 - 1300 is possible with a bit of voltage tweaking. GTX 570 easily runs into VRAM shortage with games like BF3 at Ultra 4X MSAA, Skyrim wih mods at 1080p, 1200p . Overclocking cannot solve VRAM shortage. Things get even worse at 1440p and 1600p.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/26/sapphire_hd_7870_oc_edition_video_card_review/4

BF3 2560 X 1600 Ultra FXAA
HD 7870 (1270 Mhz) - avg 55.0 min 32 fps
HD 7870 (1050 Mhz) - avg 45.2 min 26 fps
HD 6970 - avg 40.4 min 22 fps
GTX 570 - avg 36.2 min 23 fps

BF3 2560 X 1600 Ultra 2x MSAA
HD 7870 (1270 Mhz) - avg 44.3 min 27 fps

From the sapphire HD 7970 review

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

BF3 2560 X 1600 Ultra 2x MSAA
HD 7970 (950 Mhz) - avg 47.3 min 28 fps
GTX 680 - avg 49.4 min 24 fps

a HD 7870 overclocked to 1250+ Mhz is very fast. GTX 570 even overclocked has no chance against this card. biggrin.gif
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6/11/12 at 1:20am
they need to lower the price of the GTX 570, because at the moment the HD7850 looks like clearly a better deal for most, much lower power usage, great OC potential, no worries about vram...
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6/11/12 at 1:44am
I am buying HD7850, sick of waiting for GTX660, obviously these won't come out for long time.
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6/11/12 at 3:17am
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What card doesn't that apply to though?
In one year, the 670s will be in the same position as the 570s.
I'd argue it'll take a little longer than one year for games to start wanting more than 2GB at 1080, but I suppose that's debatable. Personally, I think the 570 and 580 were both cheapened in value by the amount of VRAM they were given. The 680? A bit low for it's pricepoint, I believe, but I do think it'll stand up for more than a year.

It would be nice to see nV with VRAM offerings similar to AMD.
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6/11/12 at 7:13am
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Better? Yes
Infinitely better? Not even close. They are basically the exact same performance ATM, but the AMD card has more VRAM.

Actually, the 7870 is closer to a 580, and when overclocked it's better than a 580.
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6/11/12 at 8:03am
Man, I'm debating on this one. I was able to grab an MSI 570 OC edition when they first came out for $275 or so. Been thinking of going watercooling since its so loud and hot when folding the new GPU workunits, but it's also starting to struggle in games. Would love to pick up another one on the cheap, but that would mean another GPU waterblock lol. Might just watercool my one so I can clock it higher and hold out for GK110.

Also for the guys saying that 1.25GB is enough at 1080/1200/1440P, if Rockstar has anything to say about it, it isn't enough.

Max Payne 3 with all settings highest and 4xMSAA at 1080P. 1.4GB of VRAM.

http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/max-payne-3-benchmarked-in-a-new-york-minute/#2
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