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It's not just about oil...it's about food. Our primary food source is killing the planet, and making us obese and disease ridden.

So why not fund projects that aim to provide crops that still produce grains yet replenish the soil at the same time, without being hazardous (to us or anything else)?

Where there is a will there is a way, right? So why aren't we replenishing the nutrients that we're losing or aren't replenishing themselves from over saturating the crops?

We can send men to the Moon but we can't solve a crop problem?
    
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You people are raising too much panic...
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What I find more interesting in the over population debate is the solution to such problems. Not birth control like China, but mass purging and slaughter of humans. You would be surprised at how many people are in favor of such a tactic.

Personally, I don't believe in unsustainability given the amount of land that we waste.
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What I find more interesting in the over population debate is the solution to such problems. Not birth control like China, but mass purging and slaughter of humans. You would be surprised at how many people are in favor of such a tactic.
Personally, I don't believe in unsustainability given the amount of land that we waste.

Well, yeah, as long as they are not at the receiving end.
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So again I'll ask - what do you have to say about the claims on that site (and articles) besides telling me to do my own research? I'm asking your thoughts (on the views presented on that particular site), not asking you where to find the truth or how to go about finding the truth.
If you read what I asked and assumed that my intention was to discredit your position or something, your perception of me is skewed.

Ok well I'm sorry if you think I'm treating you unfairly. My point about doing your own research is that my opinion shouldn't matter. I'm trying to give you the right tools so you can discern for yourself how valid a particular page/article/author is. I do not have the time nor energy to go through an entire page of articles to give you a summary of my positions on each, especially when I'm already fairly sure that the author has a political agenda that he seems willing to put above any integrity or legitimate quest for truth. However I will pick one article at random and see what I can find:

I went to the site and clicked on the 'IPCC Corner' link on the right hand panel. This took me to a new page where I clicked the 1st article titled "The IPCC's Green Energy Report And The Greenpeace Karaoke" which claims that the IPCC is acting as a mouthpiece for Greenpeace by including a scenario which was developed in part with their funding. They linked to the original article on a wordpress blog which is run by another climate sceptic with questionable background. Neither article addresses anything wrong with the methodology of the scenario, only that is was based on an article funded by Greenpeace. This shows a disregard for truth and a clear political agenda. This entire process took me maybe 10 minutes (or a bit longer because its currently 4 am) and I feel confident I could have followed a similar process for any article I chose. This is why it is important to know how to find legitimate sites and authors so that this same process won't have to be repeated for each article you read.
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post apocalyptic reality? sign me up!

zombies would have been cooler though
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post apocalyptic reality? sign me up!
zombies would have been cooler though

I'm not worried. If it comes to that I can always hunt and eat all the fat, lazy people incapable of running fast enough.
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Ok well I'm sorry if you think I'm treating you unfairly. My point about doing your own research is that my opinion shouldn't matter. I'm trying to give you the right tools so you can discern for yourself how valid a particular page/article/author is. I do not have the time nor energy to go through an entire page of articles to give you a summary of my positions on each, especially when I'm already fairly sure that the author has a political agenda that he seems willing to put above any integrity or legitimate quest for truth. However I will pick one article at random and see what I can find:

I went to the site and clicked on the 'IPCC Corner' link on the right hand panel. This took me to a new page where I clicked the 1st article titled "The IPCC's Green Energy Report And The Greenpeace Karaoke" which claims that the IPCC is acting as a mouthpiece for Greenpeace by including a scenario which developed in part with their funding. They linked to the original article on a wordpress blog which is run by another climate sceptic with questionable background. Neither article addresses anything wrong with the methodology of the scenario, only that is was based on an article funded by Greenpeace. This shows a disregard for truth and a clear political agenda. This entire process took me maybe 10 minutes (or a bit longer because its currently 4 am) and I feel confident I could have followed a similar process for any article I chose. This is why it is important to know how to find legitimate sites and authors so that this same process won't have to be repeated for each article you read.

Treating me unfairly by responding with condescension? I hope you don't educate your pupils this way. Apparently I'm not smart enough in your perception to discuss things with you. I never asked you to 'give (me) the right tools' to discern validity on a given topic.

I'd ask what of you on the various models that are plagued with incorrect data, on top of climate models aiming to predict rather tenuous predictions in matters of years or decades, centuries even, when our current (as of 2012) models to predict changes are vaguely and roughly accurate for a matter of mere days and not beyond?

But don't bother answering because I can sense the condescending attitude toward people who you claim willfully ignorant.

Keep on being condescending, keep on. All the best -
    
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By the way, for those that are lacking the attention span to read the whole thing (yes, the whole thing, and not skim it), here is the "TL;DR" conclusion.
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Diminishing the range of biological surprises resulting from bottom-up
(local-to-global) and top-down (global-to-local) forcings, postponing
their effects and, in the optimal case, averting a planetary-scale critical
transition demands global cooperation to stem current global-scale
anthropogenic forcings. This will require reducing world population
growth and per-capita resource use; rapidly increasing the proportion
of the world’s energy budget that is supplied by sources other than
fossil fuels while also becoming more efficient in using fossil fuels when
they provide the only option; increasing the efficiency of existing means
of food production and distribution instead of converting new areas or
relying on wild species to feed people; and enhancing efforts to manage
as reservoirs of biodiversity and ecosystem services, both in the terrestrial
and marine realms, the parts of Earth’s surface that are not already
dominated by humans. These are admittedly huge tasks, but are vital if
the goal of science and society is to steer the biosphere towards conditions
we desire, rather than those that are thrust upon us unwittingly.

It is a far cry from the doomsday scenario portrayed in the media commentary on the paper. In fact, the paper is well written and logically sound, with some strong arguments. You can also see that it very soundly proposes a set of actions that need to be undertaken to (as the paper states) "steer the biosphere towards conditions we desire, rather than those that are trust upon us unwittingly".
Edited by dejanh - 6/11/12 at 11:38am
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