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You make science sound like a religion or cult when you say "Science takes this into account" which exactly goes to show what I was saying in my last post. People should stop making science seem like some religion which in my opinion, the extremists are turning it into. Extremist scientist's would be people like Richard Dawkins that believes that all religions should be wiped out. Also, religion has caused many wars and innocent people to be killed (religions that are based around believing in a God or God(s)) whereas scientists have caused millions of people to be killed too through the development of bombs, guns, chemical based technology. and other forms of technology.

You are confusing science with anti-theism. You don't have to be a scientist to hold views against religion.
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hey as long as it dont happen my life time who cares?? its up to my 4 children and their society to change things.
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You make science sound like a religion or cult when you say "Science takes this into account" which exactly goes to show what I was saying in my last post.

What...the...

How does saying "science takes this into account" make it sound like a religion? You either don't know what science is or what religion is. Or both, I suppose.

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People should stop making science seem like some religion which in my opinion, the extremists are turning it into.

How? Religion is marked by faith and disregard for critical thinking. Science is marked by critical thinking and disregard for faith.

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Extremist scientist's would be people like Richard Dawkins that believes that all religions should be wiped out.

Oh, that's completely different. I thought you meant people make science sound like religion. If you still mean that, give an example, please.

For the record, I disagree with that aspect of Dawkins' view on religion. Religion is perfectly fine as long as it discards its obsession with butting into other people's lives.

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Also, religion has caused many wars and innocent people to be killed (religions that are based around believing in a God or God(s)) whereas scientists have caused millions of people to be killed too through the development of bombs, guns, chemical based technology. and other forms of technology.

Nah. Religion directly causes those wars. It is the cause and motivator of those wars. Science isn't. That's like blaming woodcutting for killing people because you can fashion arrows out of wood. That would, of course, be a ridiculous accusation.
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Scientists at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, Canada, say that we have taken our planet on the track of "irreversible collapse". The point of no return may be reached this century, they say. The measures of preventing a scenario they compare to the event of the extinction of the dinosaurs, are about as likely to be implemented as oil drilling to stop tomorrow.

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Sadly this is true, we will eventually fail and the human race will topple under it's own weight. The ignorance of today's society will destroy life as we know it, and take thousands of years to rebuild, IF we even last that long.

Yes because the world being flat, cigarettes being good to smoke and treating others as inferiors is definitely less ignorant than now. Oh yes, homosexuals are the cause of AIDs and we should have rats and food on the ground as they're being made.

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Whatever man. As long as I've got my smartphone, Starbucks and $900 gpus, I'm good to go.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24103
Why? Let's not pretend like they don't exist. You do know what they are correct? If Monsanto suing people that have one monsanto crop on their land because the wind blew it there or putting farmers out of business that refuse to buy their products every year because they are tired of genetically modified seeds that kill themselves doesn't bother you I'm not sure what will. I literally don't think I've ever met anyone in my life willing to argue on Monsanto's behalf.

Let's not be coy. Frankenseeds is a deliberate mischaracterization that is intentionally meant to elicit a negative connotation. I stopped reading because it is a word found in an enormous amount of grossly misinformed schlock published by inexperienced individuals about agriculture.

I'm not sure I can have a reasonable discussion with you. The lawsuits are certainly not as simplistic or as one-sided as you make them out to be. Monsanto is not suing people with a single plant nestled in the back of their property they had no knowledge of. These lawsuits are brought against individuals who have significant amount of row crops, and then attempt to plead ignorance and "natural acquisition." I know plenty of producers in my country (and assuredly throughout the world) that would have lost their ass had it not been for drought, disease-resistant, Round-up ready crops. Last year alone in Oklahoma, the drought was so bad that some of the only crops to survive were GMOs. Those Monsanto bastards!

It sounds to me like much of your exposure to agriculture comes in the form of broad strokes supplied by agenda directed websites and pamphlets. Suffice to say when I read such potted phrases like "evil GMOs" or "factory farming" and "evil Monsanto" I tend to disregard anything else that comes out of that person's mouth. It speaks volumes of where they received their "education."
Edited by Solarin - 6/11/12 at 8:53pm
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What...the...
How does saying "science takes this into account" make it sound like a religion? You either don't know what science is or what religion is. Or both, I suppose.
How? Religion is marked by faith and disregard for critical thinking. Science is marked by critical thinking and disregard for faith.
Oh, that's completely different. I thought you meant people make science sound like religion. If you still mean that, give an example, please.
For the record, I disagree with that aspect of Dawkins' view on religion. Religion is perfectly fine as long as it discards its obsession with butting into other people's lives.
Nah. Religion directly causes those wars. It is the cause and motivator of those wars. Science isn't. That's like blaming woodcutting for killing people because you can fashion arrows out of wood. That would, of course, be a ridiculous accusation.

I'm done debating, trying to downgrade someones intelligence and arguing in general is not what I believe in. If you don't understand what I said in my original post that's fine. But religion definitely didn't cause all of the wars that have happened. Also, science places faith into what the human brain sees, not what reality "sees". Humans will always be limited by the senses that we have whether we like it or not. So I truly believe that science will always be greatly limited due our human senses being the only way to interpret things.

Heck, scientists still believe that nature just caused itself to want to create living things for no reason and program them to evolve and have reason when it "knows" that in the end it doesn't matter according to the scientists theory of blind evolution (I do believe in evolution by the way, but unlike most scientists I believe that nature has a brain of its own that is of great magnificence).

Our reality actually only exists because our brain makes it exist. Without it, it would not exist in the sense that sight and hearing exists.

EDIT: Scientists have caused suffering with their technology in wars and outside of wars whether you want to believe it or not. See the Japanese and German scientists in WW2. I know that many benefits do in fact come from science and most scientists do their work in good nature but there are also plenty of scientists that use science for bad reasons.
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Well the entire universe itself has one too...
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Well the entire universe itself has one too...

Some theories believe so, others do not. There is no way to know at this point.
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EDIT: Scientists have caused suffering with their technology in wars and outside of wars whether you want to believe it or not.

You're done arguing because your argument is completely flawed and you're getting fed up with trying to convince us of your broken viewpoint.

Scientists were not the ones that commanded the scientists to create the weapons. By your logic, scientists are the ones at fault for every murder ever committed with anything other than one's own hands.
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