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Same goes to what I said about "American" ways of waste, I'm talking in relations to funding, not scientists.

If you are really worried about funding, you should be much more concerned about a very long list of unproductive things besides the space program. Take for instance the 75 million taxpayer dollars Rhode Island dumped into a failing game company. Or campaign funding, or useless contracted services, etc. Governments dump massive amounts of money left and right that benefit nearly no one. Space is the final frontier, we all stand to benefit from its understanding.

The space program is just an easy target because it gets headlines with large dollar amounts, and no one sees any aliens. Personally, we need to feed and educate the Earth before we do 90% of what we do, but if people are willing to spend money investigating space, that's less money they are using to kill each other, buy Ferraris and fuel drug cartels.
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I like how they say "just 41 light years away" rolleyes.gif
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How about they recreate a futurama episode and steal spin from another planet to get it working properly.
Silly tidal locked planet.


Brilliant!
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I'm a little confused about how this planet is described.
In one breath it is called a "water world" and then in the other they say it is so close to it's sun that it has a "sun facing" temp of 3140F - that's over 1700C.
If it is 1700C on the surface, how could there even be any surface water on that planet at all?
And lets forget about water completely for a minute and consider the melting point of silicates (which you would assume form the crust of the majority of water planets) is only ~1200C, 500C under that planets surface temp, so the surface would basically be lava...
What am I missing here that is causing this confusion?

I was wondering this myself!
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I'm a little confused about how this planet is described... If it is 1700C on the surface, how could there even be any surface water on that planet at all?
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I was wondering this myself!

It is tidally locked, with no atmosphere, so the hot side transfers little heat to the cold side. Most of either side is not inhabitable.

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Cancri e's sun-facing side is a scorching 2,000 Kelvin (3,140 degrees Fahrenheit), with water existing in a super-critical state where it is found in localized, ever-shifting pockets of liquid and gas, topped with a thick blanket of steam. But the night side is likely cool and liquid.

The blazing heat from the 55 Cancri star means there is likely no atmosphere, since it would long ago have burned away. No atmosphere means that there would be no substantial heat transfer to the far reaches of the night side, making it almost as cold as the other side is hot. But betwixt the icy night side and the blistering supercritical day side, there could be a region in which water is almost at Earth-like temperatures, warmed by conductive currents from the day-side.

Such a region of the water-world could support life, in theory, or be colonizable, although NASA concludes that most of the planet's icy or blazing surface is generally "not habitable".
    
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with no atmosphere the water would have an extremely high boiling point....
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with no atmosphere the water would have an extremely high boiling point....

I thought lower pressures (or no atmospheric pressure at all) caused water to boil at lower temperatures.

Remember the classic science experiment of boiling water at room temp in a vacuum?
    
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I thought lower pressures (or no atmospheric pressure at all) caused water to boil at lower temperatures.
Remember the classic science experiment of boiling water at room temp in a vacuum?
you were right http://www.chemistry.co.nz/cooking_altitudes.htm

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Pressure from the atmosphere at sea level - this has helped compress the water molecules together into a liquid.

The bonding energy between each water molecule.

As you increase altitude, the external pressure on the water is decreased, therefore it will take less energy to break the water molecules free from their bonded energy. If it takes less energy, then it will take less heat
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Originally Posted by ForNever View Post

Very interesting, but the most important factor IMO, after water of course, is that it needs to be geologically active so there's some kind of magnetic field for radiation protection. This is why Mars will never, EVER be habitable. The only way to make it so would be an incredibly large collision with another object to reheat the core and jump-start the magnetic field. Admittedly, I skimmed. It's late and I'm tired as hell.

Water itself is pretty damn good radiation shielding, and an ocean hundreds or thousands of miles deep would provide a great deal of protection, even on a geologically dead world, probably quite a bit more protection than we have right now.
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I don't understand why they are so fixated on finding planets that are earth like...they should be looking for moons since moons have a much higher probably of being more suitable for life than planets, simply because most of the 'earth like' planets we find are way bigger. Even if the planet had .5x the gravity of earth, it would not be suitable as a replacement and or suitable for colonization because it'd take years to train to be able to constant withstand that amount of gravity on your organs...and even with training, life span would probably be severely reduced.
It's like being severely overweight, except there's an even amount of pull on EVERYTHING not just certain and specific areas. Even though a severely overweight person would look like it's everywhere, it's not. Imagine having all that extra weight put on your heart alone. You would not live very long, even with years of training.

We are finding more super-earths than Earth sized planets because we still have difficulty finding things below a certain mass at extreme distances. Thus moons in other solar systems are nearly impossible to find, and we will be able to find earth-sized planets long before we can detect most moons.

Also, many super-earths wouldn't have anywhere near 5Gs of gravity.
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Or how about they do something useful for our current planet instead of searching for something that is impossible to reach?

You don't think the two are related?

Every advance made in the pursuit of knowledge about these places will spawn a dozen more advances with applications practical to life on Earth.
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That's nice. The problem is there is NOT an atmosphere on this planet. We need to create one, and to do so we'd need to start it spinning to prevent it from burning off faster than it can be created. Also, for radiation... this planet is closer to its star than Mercury is to ours, it has a 17 hour day/orbit.

Spinning the planet faster would not allow it to retain an atmosphere any better. Not that it "needs" an atmosphere for anything.
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I thought lower pressures (or no atmospheric pressure at all) caused water to boil at lower temperatures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_fluid
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41 Light Years........................even though that is next door in galactic terms, it's still an incredible distance.
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