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Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

My favorite part is the end of the return message that says "Unit cannot be accepted or resold as received". Like Linux is the worst thing going on with the notebook or they're concerned that it will infect their hardware. laugher.gif

Actually, if I received a laptop that was sold as having windows on it, I would be quite outraged that it didn't have windows on it.

I have ubuntu 12.04 installed on most of my devices but, it is free. I can install it myself easily without a problem.

Windows 7 would cost over 100$+ and that would be a major issue.

Even if there was a CD Key somewhere on the laptop, not every customer is as savvy as most of us here. Even if they were it is still their time/energy they would have to use reinstalling what was suppose to be on their device in the first place.
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post #152 of 280
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They said the product couldn't be returned because the warranty was voided... (Which it wasn't rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif)
Maybe my english or reading comprehension just sucks.... but why wouldn't that Mag-Moss thing apply?
Calling something a warranty doesn't make it a warranty unless it's on the official document. An employee erroneously typing "warranty" instead of "return policy" does not suddenly change the latter into a warranty.
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I've used Newegg a few times, but dealing with them is like dealing with a bunch of retarded clowns. I'll stick to my tried and true method of purchasing parts in store. I pay the same price as Newegg or less. No biggie.
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Linux is nearly the safest and lightest use of hardware I have seen. I prefer it for my lower-activity usage of hardware and love it. Now given I also use OS X for my photo/video editing and other usages, and Windows for my gaming rig. Each has best fine-tuned uses and I've never seen an operating system cause a hardware failure directly.

One thing is for sure, bad publicity sure changes the tune of a company response, especially with their managers when they see that and want to keep out of trouble. Make a public article over it and that usually helps.

"Good customer service is cheaper than bad customer service."
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post #155 of 280
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k. 44
smh...
A smart consumer retailer (NewEgg) only "referbs" and re-releases gently pre-owned hardware and hardware with known solvable problems / issues. Anyways nowadays HDDs & SDDs are merely scrubbed for user sensitive material on pre-owned / refurbished hardware. Because of the recent advancements in software regarding data deletion, duplication and recovery, their is no need for manufactures to completely wipe out the OS or use an entirely new drive, its too timely and not cost effective. Your old windows product key is often the new owners product key on a lot of today's pre-owned and refurbished products. They simply recycle them, all of the original product key's owner information is removed form the key and when you register your product yours is added. The only way I know this is because I worked for a local PC Warehouse for 2 years when I was fresh out of school, myself and one other individual headed the referb department.


Shake your head to this Vidia-King:

I hope that if you ever have a business of your own, that you will realise that customer satisfaction and being reasonable go hand in hand. Companies that decide to cling on to grey areas in their RMA rules to deny a customer to return faulty equipment just because they exercised the freedom to install software, are doing bad business and shooting themselves in the foot. That is what I said in my post, and I reiterate it.
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Update, 7:14 PM: Newegg contacted Norma after we published this story, and her RMA is now going through. They'll be issuing her refund. She updated us:
"I spoke with a "Public Image Professional" from Newegg who contacted me via email regarding my RMA. She immediately offered to replace the laptop or process a full refund, and I accepted the latter given all the issues I've had with them. I received an RMA confirmation telling me that it has been approved as a defective product return, and that I will receive a credit in 3-5 business days."
Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by gsa700 View Post

It's good that they have resolved this for Norma, but I think something got lost in the debate here. Unless I missed it, at no time was her "warranty" in jeopardy. It was only Newegg refusing her RMA because the laptop wasn't in the same condition she had received it in.
Most likely, Norma could have contacted Lenovo and received service directly from them on this issue.
It's not that I am on Neweggs "side", it's just common sense that you should return the item in the same condition you received it.
Glad Newegg took care of it, we can keep shopping there. biggrin.gif

Common sense is an overused term in this thread. In this entire forum, actually. Where do you draw the line ? Do you have to uninstall OS Service Packs ? The computer didn't come with them. Uninstall your Internet Security Package and install the one that came with the PC even if it has nothing to do with the fact it's a hardware fault ? Revert to an earlier BIOS (sometimes this is actually impossible) ? And what if you can't do it ? What if the PC won't boot or the keyboard doesn't work or the screen doesn't work or the battery doesn't work ? Are you supposed to have a laptop just like that one so you can reinstall the bundled software on the HDD ? Or have a spare monitor, keyboard, etc ? Don't forget, it can't be just any computer like someone suggested, it has to be the same model, otherwise the bundle won't install properly because all the drivers are specific and won't install on a different motherboard. You would end up giving Newegg room to claim the same thing. What if it's the HDD that is faulty ?

Are you going to discriminate cases where the PC is faulty but you can still reinstall the original bundled software and cases where the PC won't allow you to do it ?

Imagine she had installed Linux on a virtual machine. Can she do it ? Just because Windows is still there, does it mean Linux can't harm the system ? What about a dual boot configuration that brings up a boot menu ? Windows is still there, perhaps even with all the bundled software; how is this different from having Firefox and an Office package installed ? Where do you draw the line to say that she can't install specific software ?
 
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Your argument has flaws:
1. What if you can't reinstall the OS ? In her case she could, but what if the laptop did not work properly ? Are you going to start discriminating between people that can still reinstall the OS and those that can't ?
2. This is not about PC manufacturers offering support for software issues, this is a hardware issue.
3. The PC manufacturer would not be doing remote diagnosis in this case. In any case, it is standard procedure to reinstall the original bundled software or run some recovery OS (ironically Linux based as has been said) to diagnose problems.
4. You can't expect people to wait 7 to 14 days before they start using their PC like they want. Where do you draw the line ? Can you flash to the newest BIOS provided by the manufacturer ? I ask the same question I asked in my first post, isn't this an even more important change ? Can you install you favourite Internet Security package or you have to keep using the one that came with the PC ? Can you install a Service Pack for the OS ? How different will the OS be after a few updates ?
Just because her behaviour gave them the perfect excuse doesn't mean it's a good business practice or that Newegg is right. Unless they specifically say so, they have no right to deny RMA for this kind of situation. And I doubt a clause saying otherwise would stand up in court, but that is another discussion.
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Newegg cannot reinstall the old copy of windows on the computer since they don't have the key
Yes they can, the key is written on a sticker glued to the laptop. How would they resell a laptop with personal information in it before erasing everything and reinstalling the original software bundle ?

Not worth my time. It is obvious you lack Windows installation experience and failed to understand the HD can be image without the PC it came with!

It is her fault and not Newegg's! Hope they make her eat the cost!!!
Edited by Horse Head - 6/12/12 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Markus View Post

What's so funny about that? Linux is an OS just as much as Windows is, shouldn't make any difference if it's Linux or Windows on it when you apply for an RMA..
On topic: That's just sad, I hope he gets it sorted out. smile.gif
Actually, it does because power management may not be as robust as Windows is and as a result, certain parts of the computer might be stressed more, causing it to age faster. I don't see a problem with Newegg doing this.
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Newegg has a valid point here. You modified it.
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post #159 of 280
So what? If I bought a laptop with no OS installed and install Windows in it, then it broke, they would deny it too? rolleyes.gif
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I bet she was not the one that install Linux. Someone else properly did and realize they did not like, but then realized they erased the restore partition and never made backup disc.
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