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Hi

Haven't been on the forume in a while...

I am thinking of either buying or building my own HTPC for home. I need the following from it:

* Chassis needs to be small. Prefereably those slim flat desktop type ones
* Have the ability to install one 3.5" HDD
* PSU of no more than 300W, though less would be prefered as I do not want the unit to draw a lot of power
* HDMI
* WiFi onboard prefered, it not, at least have ability to add it on with a PCIe card
* If I were to install a BR optical drive, it must at least be able to play the content without any issues. This must also be applicable to 1080P content played directly from the internal HDD of the HTPC without any issues.

Now I know you get some really nice mini ITX motherboards out there which is most likely what I will get. I am however unsure which CPU and VGA solution.

I had a look at some solutions which integrate AMD Llano based as well as Intel Atom paired with nVidia graphics. Even considering an Intel Sandy Bridge based Pentium or Core i3.

Now my questions are:

* I am using an app called Air Video on both my Apple iPhone & iPad to stream content shared from my current beast at home which is very power hungry. Air Video does have the option to perform a live conversion of the content you are watching on the fly while streaming it to your Apple device which consumes some memory and CPU resources during the process. Do you guys think that any of the following CPU/APUs would suffice:

AMD E-450, AMD Llano A8-3870K, Intel Atom D2700 (or similar) paired with nVidia GT-520, Intel Pentium Gxxx or Intel 2nd gen Core i3?

I know that the Intel Pentium Gxxx or Intel 2nd gen Core i3's sports sucky Intel HD2000 graphics so I may need to look at an additional graphics card.

I know the Pentium & Core i3 will do the job, but it is going to add to cost and power draw which is a concern for me. I need a low power draw system. Will any of these AMD E-xxx and AMD A8-xxxxy or Intel Atom's be powerful enough? Especially the live conversion via Air Video and HD playback?

Thanks


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Actually the pros @ AVS HTPC subforums have tried a battery of tests and for IGP, the A6-3500 is considered the cheapest and most dependable for 3D blu ray playback so i'd go with that

Also though peeps like the smallness of ITX, many get bitten later as they did not consider that these may be detrimental to the addition of stuff like multiple tuners, etc so something to think about as well thumb.gif In any case mATX isn't that huge but offers way more expansion options ^^

Lastly a PC only draws as much power as it needs so instead on zooming in on the wattage of the PSU, i strongly advise you on getting more efficient ones i.e 80+ gold PSUs are affordable these days tongue.gif
Edited by trog - 6/13/12 at 3:33am
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Actually the pros @ AVS HTPC subforums have tried a battery of tests and for IGP, the A6-3500 is considered the cheapest and most dependable for 3D blu ray playback so i'd go with that
Also though peeps like the smallness of ITX, many get bitten later as they did not consider that these may be detrimental to the addition of stuff like multiple tuners, etc so something to think about as well thumb.gif In any case mATX isn't that huge but offers way more expansion options ^^
Lastly a PC only draws as much power as it needs so instead on zooming in on the wattage of the PSU, i strongly advise you on getting more efficient ones i.e 80+ gold PSUs are affordable these days tongue.gif

I am aware that a PSU draws only what it needs, its just that it does not need a lot of headroom as far as capacity is concerned.

I was looking at an ITX mobos with integrated WiFi and BT:

* Asus P8Z77-I DELUXE (socket 1155) - Expensive and need will need to buy Pentium / i3 plus a GFX card as onboard sucks. Expensive route
* Asus F1A75-I DELUXE (socket FM1) - Cheaper than above. Looking at the A8-3870K along with it. May not need to buy GFX card as onboard should be ok based on my requirments from the HTPC, right?
* Asus E45M1-I DELUXE (AMD E-450 integrated CPU with Radeon 6320). Not sure on this one?
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Not quite sure why you think I3 graphics "suck." Please define that. The I3-2125 has HD3000 graphics which is more than enough for HD video. The biggest key to a successful HTPC build is planning...know all of the hardware (tuners, wifi, etc) you will be using. This will define the form factor.

As an example of a system, my HTPC specs are:
i3-2125 CPU
ASRock H67M-ITX/HT (has wifi onboard)
8 GB DDr-1333 (overkill, but already had it)
Kingston HyperX 120 GB SSD
Slim Blu-Ray multi-drive
2 Hauppage DCR-2650 CableCard tuners for live TV
WMC 7 with MediaBrowser plugins
150W PicoPSU

Media is stored on my media server. All movies are in 1080 with no problem streaming

Little size comparison...old Lian Li HTPC and the new Wesena case
DSCF3021.jpg
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Originally Posted by longroadtrip View Post

Not quite sure why you think I3 graphics "suck." Please define that. The I3-2125 has HD3000 graphics which is more than enough for HD video. The biggest key to a successful HTPC build is planning...know all of the hardware (tuners, wifi, etc) you will be using. This will define the form factor.
As an example of a system, my HTPC specs are:
i3-2125 CPU
ASRock H67M-ITX/HT (has wifi onboard)
8 GB DDr-1333 (overkill, but already had it)
Kingston HyperX 120 GB SSD
Slim Blu-Ray multi-drive
2 Hauppage DCR-2650 CableCard tuners for live TV
WMC 7 with MediaBrowser plugins
150W PicoPSU
Media is stored on my media server. All movies are in 1080 with no problem streaming
Little size comparison...old Lian Li HTPC and the new Wesena case
DSCF3021.jpg

longroadtrip! long time no see!

Well what I mean by "suck" is that they aren't as good as the AMD Llano platforms with their respective Radeon cores. In gaming one will notice it most, yet the HTPC is not meant for gaming in my case. Also, when looking at i3's, I was looking at those with HD2000 and not HD3000. Aren't there any issues surrounding HD2000/3000 and lack of support for standards like HDMI 1.4a or poor flash and SilverLight videos or any other? I have read that some platforms have limitations or performance issues in come cases - does any apply to a HD2000/3000 setup?

I don't think I will be using any tuners or anything. Just want enough oomph to play HD content via BR optical and local disk via HDMI interface to my TV (which will be right next to it). Most importantly, the setup has to have enough oomph to perform a live conversion while streaming using Air Video server to my apple devices (http://www.inmethod.com/air-video/index.html). Currently it is working great on my gaming rig but its overkill and chows alot of power.

As mentioned I would prefer a mobo with built in WiFi so I still have a free PCIe slot if I do decide that I want to add something to it later.

I would really like to get a chassis that is as small as yours. We have a lot of brands available here in South Africa but not as many as in the US for example. Lian-Li is really nice and one can ghet them in small formfactors but they are SOOOOO BLOODY EXPENSIVE. Same applies to Zalman or Antec etc. You can get those cube types ones as well but I am not a big fan of the look. I want something like yours or something flat (like old VHS VCRs).
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It has been a while!

To my knowledge (at least, I haven't experienced any) there are no issues with HDMI, flash, or silverlight...I'm using HDMI for audio and video and have no issues...The AMD APUs are better for blu-ray playback and are a bit cheaper, but finding a motherboard that has all of the features (wifi, etc) can be difficult, that was part of the reason I went Intel...

This is the motherboard that I use for myself and my client HTPC builds..I've had zero issues with them and my clients seem to be really pleased with it.

Here is the case that I am using (mine is from their sister company Wesena, but Streacom is their other brand name) These guys ship to South Africa, not sure on cost to do so though...Streacom also makes some really nice passive cooling cases too...If you want the room to possibly add a GPU, they have several SFF cases with that ability...

Hope I've helped a bit..If you have more questions, please feel free to ask away! cheers.gif
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im also using the hdmi on my wesena build with audio and video. Havent had any problems. Im using a 3870k and 4 gb of ram.

I had to mod my case a little bit because of the larger heat output of the 3870k compared to a low power intel cpu.

but all in all, for an htpc i love it. Plays all my old NES roms all the way up to PS2 smoothly. Also plays PC games very well.

I would suggest if you are only going for the hd playback. go intel. if you need the extra power of the apu, then go that direction. But if you dont want a WAY tiny case, then anything is fine.

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