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I did consider the ASRock boards, it's a great looking board. But I think I still have a bad taste in my mouth over a past bad experience with the brand. So decided to stick with the more familiar ASUS, that I have used regularly in the past.

I did point out that the ASUS Z77 was not my first choice as I don't need the over clocking features and only changed to it after not being comfortable with the clearance of the PCI slot when used with aftermarket coolers.

If I were to change to the ASRock now it would mean I would need to switch back to the AXP-140 as the Noctua would not fit on the ASRock, it has the same standard m-itx layout as the ASUS H77 does. That would mean I would be right back to where I started with the clearance issue meaning I either have to live with it or find a new cooler.


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I did consider the ASRock boards, it's a great looking board. But I think I still have a bad taste in my mouth over a past bad experience with the brand. So decided to stick with the more familiar ASUS, that I have used regularly in the past.
I did point out that the ASUS Z77 was not my first choice as I don't need the over clocking features and only changed to it after not being comfortable with the clearance of the PCI slot when used with aftermarket coolers.
If I were to change to the ASRock now it would mean I would need to switch back to the AXP-140 as the Noctua would not fit on the ASRock, it has the same standard m-itx layout as the ASUS H77 does. That would mean I would be right back to where I started with the clearance issue meaning I either have to live with it or find a new cooler.
Yes there will be pics to come Comenius biggrin.gif

Thanks for the clarification...I was tracking that the Noctua DID fit fine on the ASRock board. I've seen pictures of the AXP-140 having the issues with electrical tape being recommended so I was thinking the Noctua would have a little more clearance. Wasn't aware at all of the layout differences on the boards.

On the other hand, I also don't really see a need for an aftermarket cooler if you're not OCing.
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While I can't be 100% sure that the Noctua won't fit on the ASRock I know it definitely won't fit on other boards that have the same layout as the ASRock, so I think it's a pretty safe bet that it will be the same for the ASRock.

At first I was the same as you, thinking the Noctua would fit on that standard m-itx layout as the Noctua is not as wide as the AXP-140. But the AXP-140 base plate is off centre to the to the middle of the cooler in the direction it needs to be mounted where the Noctua is not. Hence why the Noctua will only work on the Z77 (non-standard m-itx layout) and the AXP-140 will only work on the H77 (standard m-itx layout) but not vice versa. Personally I think the standard layout should be that of how the Z77 is, I think allot more aftermarket coolers would be compatible that way. But I guess that is not the concern for the manufacturer of these motherboards.


Yea I know a aftermarket cooler is not required when not over clocking. But have never really been a fan of the stock coolers, who has? Plus I am planning to run it passive, without a fan. Something I will not trust to a stock heat sink.
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Thanks for the clarification...I was tracking that the Noctua DID fit fine on the ASRock board. I've seen pictures of the AXP-140 having the issues with electrical tape being recommended so I was thinking the Noctua would have a little more clearance. Wasn't aware at all of the layout differences on the boards.
On the other hand, I also don't really see a need for an aftermarket cooler if you're not OCing.

the electrical tape recommendation is more as a precaution. afaik the noctua would not fit on the asrock due to the socket placement of the asrock. but if you found one that does fit w/o blocking the PCIe slot, then that's another option for you.
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All ordered and paid for, now to just wait for it all to show up at my door.

Stay tuned, the fun is about to start!
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All parts have arrived!

More pics to come soon as I slowly start work on this over the next week.

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awesome! i just built mine
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All parts have arrived!
More pics to come soon as I slowly start work on this over the next week.
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Need to see more pics!
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Got some more product pics for those that are interested.

Have been mucking around with some stuff today and have some more pics coming soon of the different orientations of the cooler on the motherboard so everyone can see the compatibly of these two specific products together.


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Case: Silverstone SG08 (using inc 600w power supply)



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Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE



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Memory: G.Skill Ares 16GB (2x8GB) F3-1600C10D-16AGAO



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SSD: Crucial M4 128GB x2 (1x OS - 1x Games drive)



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GPU: MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozer III



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CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-C12P SE14



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Optical: Sony Slim DVD AD7740H01
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P8Z77-I and NH-C12P SE14 Compatibly

I know many who have been considering this board or any other M-ITX board for that matter have had concerns about after market coolers fitting on the board itself and not interfering with other components.

While I know this has been covered briefly before elsewhere I thought I would try to shed some more light on the topic with more pics and angles in the hope that my efforts will at least help someone else in making an easy decision in parts they may choose for their build.


Before setting out I already knew which way I would be mounting the NH-C12P on my board as I had done ample research before choosing each part so was 99% sure there would be no issues in the direction I intended to mount it in. However I still tried it in every other way, just to see.

To help explain each position I tried the cooler in and how I have referenced them, I have included a diagram below.


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NH-C12P SE14 orientations in relation to motherboard




Position A
Heat pipes facing PCI-E slot

The cooler fits on the board in this direction offering plenty of clearance for GPUs using the PCI-E slot and other components with no interference. However there is some over hang out the left hand side above the DIGI+ VRM module which would probably be ok in some larger cases but as can been seen in the pictures once the cover of the SG08 goes on it makes contact with the pointy end of the heat pipes.


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Position A - Top



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Position A - Left



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Position A - Right



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Position A - Back



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Position A - Front



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Position A - Front with GPU



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Position A - Top, mounted inside SG08
Looks like it would fit from this pic but it does in fact protrude



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Position A - Left, mounted inside SG08



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Position A - Left, mounted inside SG08. With cover panel on
You can see the cooler makes contact with the case




Position B
Heat pipes facing DIGI+ VRM module

In this position the heat pipes make contact with the DIGI+ VRM module making the cooler unusable in this position.


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Position B - Back




Position C
Heat pipes facing memory

Little to no issues in this position. Heaps of clearance on all sides.


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Position C - Top



heatsink_pos_c_top_detail.jpg
Position C Top, detail
Pipes finish just short of end of the board allowing plenty of clearance



heatsink_pos_c_left.jpg
Position C - Left



heatsink_pos_c_right.jpg
Position C - Right



heatsink_pos_d_back.jpg
Position C - Back



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Position C - Front




Position D
Heat pipes facing board I/O

This is the position I have chosen to mount my cooler in with this board. As in position C there is heaps of clearance on all sides so just comes down to personal preference really.

One advantage Position D has over C is you will get ever so slightly more room inside the SG08 for cable connectors coming out of the 3.5 HDD bay.


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Position D - Top



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Position D - Top, detail
Here is the main reason why I went with this combo of board and cooler over the AXP-140. Heaps of clearance for the GPU



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Position D - Left



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Position D - Right



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Position D - Right, detail
Plenty of clearance for the memory, provided you are using the low profile type. Many models will not fit



heatsink_pos_d_back.jpg
Position D - Back



heatsink_pos_d_front.jpg
Position D - Front



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Position D - Front with GPU
No need for electrical here




NH-C12P SE14 Mounting Bracket

No issues with the mounting bracket on the top side of the board. They ride high over all components offering plenty of clearance.

heatsink_mount_top.jpg
heatsink_mount_right.jpg



Being a M-ITX build it is not with out its issues, like any build I guess. Here is one of the first I have encountered.

The compatibly chart on Noctua's website says that this cooler will work with this board no issues. So when I found that the soft pads on the base of the mounting bracket for the back of the board were coming in contact with some very small components I thought to my self, "well it's meant to be compatible, should I just chance it?". But after giving it some thought, I decided on just timing small amounts of the pads to give clearance to the small components. I think it worked well and saved me from having to use washers (which I didn't want t o have to do) like this person did.


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It may have been ok, those pads are soft. But didn't want to risk it



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Backplate bracket before trimming



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Backplate bracket after trimming



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And the final result. Is a little hard to see in this pic as these components are so small but nothing touches now




Currently have the system up and running on the test bench stressing it with prime 95 to ensure all parts are good and in working order before loading it all in to the SG08. Will be back with plenty more pics of it all going in after the stress test is done.
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