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I've been reading several threads and feedback from people removing the IHS on their IB CPU and applying the waterblock directly on the die.

Several people have used the XSPC Raystorm, EK Supreme HF or Heatkiller 3.0 to various degrees of success when it comes to mounting the block, maintaining an even pressure and trying not to crack the die.

What I am concerned about is just that: applying a good enough pressure that the CPU will stay in place, while not cracking the die...

And here's the thing: all waterblocks cited above are said to be bowed on the center, in order to apply more pressure when mounted with an IHS.

However, this works against direct-to-die cooling as it might crush the die.

So what do you guys think ? Can anyone confirm that their waterblock (whatever it is) can be mounted with a good enough pressure, without cracking the die ?
Is there any "flat" (read: non-bowed) waterblock available ?
post #2 of 10
I think it is a good idea for a suicide run but i would not do this if i plan on keeping my CPU
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I can make my waterblock with any amount of bow including lapped flat as an assembly. I don't know if that is what you would want, or if you want a slight bow since the block deforms a slight bit due to mounting pressure.
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I lapped my EK Supreme on a machined piece of granite before installing it on my de-lidded 3770k . Cranked it down pretty tight and then pulled it apart to check MX4 spread and die, everything was great . Only problem is that I changed my mind on case so I am waiting for my Azza Fusion 4000 , will be in on Monday - going nuts waiting ! thumb.gif
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The Danger Den DD-M6 waterblock is extremely flat without the various shims you can install, which should meet your needs. thumb.gif
    
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I just did this.. with a xspc raystorm waterblock.. im running the XSPC Raystorm RX360 Extreme kit and ..

went from MX-4 to MX-4 to direct die + MX-4.. the temps dropped 9c if you factor in the 1c drop ambient temp.

direct.jpg

I then further lowered the voltage from 1.335 to 1.280-1.300 and temps dropped another 4-5c

So right now im looking at over 15c lower temps on direct die.

copy and pasting my post from another forum:


I just did direct die with mx-4. keep in mind this is directly after placing the mx-4 on the die and no time to cure..
when i let mx-4 cure about 24-48hrs the temps drop another 2-3c atleast from my experience.

Ambient temps are 31C

Using the Raystorm water block, its so easy to get good / safe tension on the cpu without using the IHS.

I am not sure if i can tighten it down more or not but i got a 7-8C drop from mx-4 + mx-4 vs now direct die + mx-4 (no heat spreader).

Voltage is currently set high at 1.335

Running prime95 with Large FFT

This is with 48 hrs of the mx-4 being placed (30c ambient temps)

mx-4.jpg

This is with 5minutes of the mx-4 being placed (31c ambient temps)

mx-4-direct die.jpg

direct.jpg


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post #7 of 10
I'd really love to see someone use a Swiftech Storm or Little River G4/G5 w/ a naked IB. These were the last blocks designed for DD cooling.
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post #8 of 10
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Thanks for the replies !

I really want to avoid any modification on the waterblock (weird I know, specially after popping the IHS rolleyes.gif) so no lapping/machining involved for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falknir View Post

The Danger Den DD-M6 waterblock is extremely flat without the various shims you can install, which should meet your needs. thumb.gif

Indeed this could fit very nicely. Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by tscompusa View Post

I just did this.. with a xspc raystorm waterblock.. im running the XSPC Raystorm RX360 Extreme kit and ..
went from MX-4 to MX-4 to direct die + MX-4.. the temps dropped 9c if you factor in the 1c drop ambient temp.

[removed image]

I then further lowered the voltage from 1.335 to 1.280-1.300 and temps dropped another 4-5c
So right now im looking at over 15c lower temps on direct die.
copy and pasting my post from another forum:
[...]

I indeed saw your thread over at XS, my mentioning the Raystorm in my initial post was referring to you smile.gif
I do have a few questions if you don't mind:
- did you use any custom mount to get the block on the motherboard ? I have read that some blocks have mounting issues if you remove the IHS (such as the EK Supreme HF, according to another user over at XS too)
- how much pressure did you apply when mounting the block ? I was under the impression that the Raystorm has quite a bow in the middle. It didn't turn out to be a problem then ?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gauvi View Post

Thanks for the replies !
I really want to avoid any modification on the waterblock (weird I know, specially after popping the IHS rolleyes.gif) so no lapping/machining involved for me.
Indeed this could fit very nicely. Thanks for the info.
I indeed saw your thread over at XS, my mentioning the Raystorm in my initial post was referring to you smile.gif
I do have a few questions if you don't mind:
- did you use any custom mount to get the block on the motherboard ? I have read that some blocks have mounting issues if you remove the IHS (such as the EK Supreme HF, according to another user over at XS too)
- how much pressure did you apply when mounting the block ? I was under the impression that the Raystorm has quite a bow in the middle. It didn't turn out to be a problem then ?

I didnt have to do anything except remove the retention bracket from the motherboard in the front and rear and just used the regular raystorm rear retention bracket and then used the heatsink like normal.. the raystorm works great for this, because heres exactly what you do..

heres exactly what you should do:

first make sure the second adjustment nut is adjusted so its directly against the top one on all 4.. so when you tighten down the screws you will bottom them out.
make sure you do this in a even criss cross pattern.. after you have them bottom'ed out then you adjust the lower nut on the screw and start adding real tension to the
heatsink against the die.. just go slow and make sure you have even pressure across all 4.. you will hear the paste make some noise once you start tightening it down..

how far to go? i dont know.. but i went pretty tight as far as my middle finger and thumb could get them.. i wanna say its about 5ft/lbs or something.

just adjust it until you feel it really starting to get tight.. you dont wanna go to far or from what ive read you can crush the die? i dont see how.. but i guess its possible.

supposedly the raystorm is not 100% flat? i would check myself with a feeler gauge and machinist ruler but i already have it on and dont feel like taking it off again.



also id like to add my temps did drop a good bit more.. 2-3c less now after letting the mx-4 settle in.

i can run prime95 now for 10min with keeping temps under 70c with about the same hot ambient temps.

id like to test liquid pro directly against the die and block but i dont want it hurting my block.. i read that stuff
can screw the block up to the point it needs lapped.
Edited by tscompusa - 6/18/12 at 5:09pm
post #10 of 10
I am tempted to try this as a I have a delidded 3570K and a Raystorm block as well oO
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