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I REALLY can't decide on what I want for college. I'm considering a 13" Macbook air, a Sager NP3260 or pretty much anything else at the moment.

I'm majoring in Electrical and Computer engineering so I think I need something decent for CAD work..

What is your maximum budget? $1,300 at the absolute max. Would prefer to keep it under $1000

What country are you in? USA

What will be the uses of this laptop? Schoolwork, light gaming.

Do you have brand loyalty or care which brands we select for you? Doesn't matter to me.. has to be somewhat reliable of course.

What screen size do you require? 14" and above. NO 13" laptops!

What screen resolution do you require? Anything above 1366x768. I won't buy a 1366x768 laptop :\

Are you looking to buy NEW or would refurbished/recertified/used be okay? New preferred but if it has a warranty it doesn't matter.

How long should the battery last? (Under optimal conditions, no movies/games/heavy internet) Minimum 3hrs.

What games would you like to play with your laptop? And on what settings? Occasional Counterstrike.. maybe WoW.. Battlefield 3 if possible. Just has to be playable 30FPS+

What operating system do you need? (if any) N/A

Is there a certain style of laptop you want? (aluminum, black, gaming, etc.) Light as possible. Thin/aluminum is a plus.

How much hard drive space do you need? Anything works.

Do you need any special hardware? (blue ray, webcam, specialty ports, etc.) Webcam

Is there anything else we need to know? Nothing. Thanks for any help!
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Electrical engineers don't really do CAD work (then again, even for mechanical engineering major.. the CAD stuff needed for classwork is easy enough to run on a Core 2 and integrated graphics). AFAIK, it's mostly schematics for PCBs, programming (not very CPU-intensive) wiring diagrams on Visio, etc. And probably controls stuff, MATLAB, and so on. So you wouldn't need a really fast system for it; i5 dual-core would suffice although i7-quad won't hurt biggrin.gif .

The thin/light, and gaming requirement are a bit hard to do in a single system. There aren't really any 14" laptops with good graphics, >1366x768, thin, and light. Ironically.. there are some 15" laptops.

I'd personally go with the Samsung 7, 15.6". New Ivy Bridge quad, Nvidia 640M graphics, backlit keyboard, weight is about 5.2 pounds, <1" thick. For the price, it's pretty similar to the 2012 base-model Macbook Pro 15 in terms of specs/dimensions/features.

Sony Vaio SE 15.5" has a 1080p IPS panel, only downside being there *might* still be an issue with reds showing up as a bit red-orange. It'd be my 2nd choice, the Samsung has faster graphics (640M LE in the Vaio is a Fermi rebrand), 1600x900 means you can play a decent amount of games at native res, and you can't really beat the aesthetics of the Samsung IMO. But the Vaio SE is the lightest 15" laptop I'm aware of, at 4.4 pounds. http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644768015&facetlist=true

Envy 15t is thin, but not light - it's not that much heavier than the Samsung 7.. but still. It can game pretty well, at least if you downscale to 768p or 900p in-game. http://shopping2.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-ENVY/A6U26AV?HP-ENVY-15t-3200-Notebook-PC
 
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Electrical engineers don't really do CAD work (then again, even for mechanical engineering major.. the CAD stuff needed for classwork is easy enough to run on a Core 2 and integrated graphics). AFAIK, it's mostly schematics for PCBs, programming (not very CPU-intensive) wiring diagrams on Visio, etc. And probably controls stuff, MATLAB, and so on. So you wouldn't need a really fast system for it; i5 dual-core would suffice although i7-quad won't hurt biggrin.gif .
The thin/light, and gaming requirement are a bit hard to do in a single system. There aren't really any 14" laptops with good graphics, >1366x768, thin, and light. Ironically.. there are some 15" laptops.
I'd personally go with the Samsung 7, 15.6". New Ivy Bridge quad, Nvidia 640M graphics, backlit keyboard, weight is about 5.2 pounds, <1" thick. For the price, it's pretty similar to the 2012 base-model Macbook Pro 15 in terms of specs/dimensions/features.
Sony Vaio SE 15.5" has a 1080p IPS panel, only downside being there *might* still be an issue with reds showing up as a bit red-orange. It'd be my 2nd choice, the Samsung has faster graphics (640M LE in the Vaio is a Fermi rebrand), 1600x900 means you can play a decent amount of games at native res, and you can't really beat the aesthetics of the Samsung IMO. But the Vaio SE is the lightest 15" laptop I'm aware of, at 4.4 pounds. http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644768015&facetlist=true
Envy 15t is thin, but not light - it's not that much heavier than the Samsung 7.. but still. It can game pretty well, at least if you downscale to 768p or 900p in-game. http://shopping2.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-ENVY/A6U26AV?HP-ENVY-15t-3200-Notebook-PC

Samsung 7 sounds right up my alley. I've tried searching for it but can't find one specced as you listed. Has it yet to be released yet?


I appreciate the help and thanks for opening up eyes beyond Apple and Sager(was really stuck between the two being the best manufactures when it comes to laptops by what I've read and experienced)!
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Samsung 7 sounds right up my alley. I've tried searching for it but can't find one specced as you listed. Has it yet to be released yet?
I appreciate the help and thanks for opening up eyes beyond Apple and Sager(was really stuck between the two being the best manufactures when it comes to laptops by what I've read and experienced)!

Sorry about that, I thought I posted the link - I was editing my post but I passed out lol. Here ya go. Glad I could help biggrin.gif

$1100 is a pretty fair price compared to last year's model (stripped-down model for $900, to similarly configured for $1150-1250). http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Series-NP700Z5C-S01US-15-6-Inch-Laptop/dp/B0083S3OWW/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1339722698&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+7

edit: Also to clarify my first post, I'm not 100% sure whether the 640M LE in the Vaio SE is a Fermi rebrand, or a Kepler. I won't go off on a rant, but Nvidia's mobile naming scheme is preposterous- there is supposedly a Fermi 640M LE, and a Kepler 640M LE. Performance is supposed to be similar between the 2 640M LE's, but I'm pretty sure the Kepler 640M LE is faster.

Also if you're curious about the gaming performance, this site in general is a good guide (. http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-640M.71579.0.html
Refer to this page for a better head-to-head comparison for say, you favorite 5 or so games - it says the exact settings at which each game was tested. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html
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To be perfectly honest you don't need a very powerful computer for college at all. For the most part and compiling will be of simple programs, and even if it is a larger compile it won't be as time critical as in a professional environment. Most of your stuff will be done by hand, at least for an undergraduate degree.

In terms of user experience you really cannot beat Apple these days, the fact that their software and hardware are vertically integrated in the company makes for a more cohesive mobile experience than companies like Samsung. That being said, the cheapest 15" MBP with educational pricing is still 1700, so it is likely outside of your price range.
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To be perfectly honest you don't need a very powerful computer for college at all. For the most part and compiling will be of simple programs, and even if it is a larger compile it won't be as time critical as in a professional environment. Most of your stuff will be done by hand, at least for an undergraduate degree.
In terms of user experience you really cannot beat Apple these days, the fact that their software and hardware are vertically integrated in the company makes for a more cohesive mobile experience than companies like Samsung. That being said, the cheapest 15" MBP with educational pricing is still 1700, so it is likely outside of your price range.

Agreed on the college part. Having just finished a year as an ECE major, I'd say the biggest tax on a computer is gaming with nerdy friends. Eclipse (or whatever), a text editor and Microsoft word will get you through pretty much what you need to get through. Also, keep in mind that different companies offer different educational discounts. Apple's discount for college students now also includes a $100 gift card (plus other discount), Microsoft has the Xbox deal. I was able to get a further discount from a Sony Vaio S (that I ended up returning) because I talked to a salesman on chat. Just food for thought.
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I'm leaning towards a 13" Macbook Air and building a decent desktop that I can use for heavier duty stuff. Bad idea? I can get a 13" for $1,149.
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I'm leaning towards a 13" Macbook Air and building a decent desktop that I can use for heavier duty stuff. Bad idea? I can get a 13" for $1,149.

Not a bad idea, but could you clarify on this heavier duty stuff? In terms of schoolwork, any i5 dual-core can give you enough performance. I personally just have a laptop and a 23" 1080p monitor that I hook it up to back at my place, and it works quite well for me (if I haven't said it yet - I don't game when I'm away at school). 13" screen is a decent size. My only caveat is since you'd be buying a desktop and laptop, it's not the most economical solution - I'd go with a Portege R835 for $700ish (it only weighs 3.2 pounds, really its barely heavier than an Ultrabook).

Edit- @Nuclear I think you might've convinced me on the Sony. For me personally, I'm not a big graphics guy, I'd probably have to look over the Samsung and Sony some more. I used to have a Thinkpad T510 15" with 1080p panel, and it was nice (as in, insane image quality), but the resolution admittedly was overkill, even for CAD - 1600x900 would work almost as well on a 15" I feel. If I had a bigger budget I'd probably go to something like a Vaio SE though, I'm a screen guy. Oh and I'm quite jealous of the free PS3 offer, I still need to fix mine mad.gif no GT5 until I bust out the heatgun and pray it works.
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Electrical engineers don't really do CAD work (then again, even for mechanical engineering major.. the CAD stuff needed for classwork is easy enough to run on a Core 2 and integrated graphics). AFAIK, it's mostly schematics for PCBs, programming (not very CPU-intensive) wiring diagrams on Visio, etc. And probably controls stuff, MATLAB, and so on. So you wouldn't need a really fast system for it; i5 dual-core would suffice although i7-quad won't hurt biggrin.gif .
The thin/light, and gaming requirement are a bit hard to do in a single system. There aren't really any 14" laptops with good graphics, >1366x768, thin, and light. Ironically.. there are some 15" laptops.
I'd personally go with the Samsung 7, 15.6". New Ivy Bridge quad, Nvidia 640M graphics, backlit keyboard, weight is about 5.2 pounds, <1" thick. For the price, it's pretty similar to the 2012 base-model Macbook Pro 15 in terms of specs/dimensions/features.
Sony Vaio SE 15.5" has a 1080p IPS panel, only downside being there *might* still be an issue with reds showing up as a bit red-orange. It'd be my 2nd choice, the Samsung has faster graphics (640M LE in the Vaio is a Fermi rebrand), 1600x900 means you can play a decent amount of games at native res, and you can't really beat the aesthetics of the Samsung IMO. But the Vaio SE is the lightest 15" laptop I'm aware of, at 4.4 pounds. http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644768015&facetlist=true
Envy 15t is thin, but not light - it's not that much heavier than the Samsung 7.. but still. It can game pretty well, at least if you downscale to 768p or 900p in-game. http://shopping2.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-ENVY/A6U26AV?HP-ENVY-15t-3200-Notebook-PC

I bought the Sony myself last week on Sony Store. The 640M LE is not a Fermi rebrand. It's a Kepler part. Kepler cores are much weaker than Fermi core, which is consistent with how its 384 cores are a little slower than the GTX 460M's 192 cores (see 640M instead of 640M LE for closer clocks with the 460M). Personally I chose the Sony over the Samsung. They both look nice, but the weight itself and alone is much more important when it comes to college. Resolution wise, having 1080p also gives a lot more workspace especially if he will most likely be doing pSpice for circuit works.

The one I bought directly is equipped with an i7-3612QM and 2GB 640M LE (they force you to select the 2GB version with the quad), and that ran me $1115 with the 7200RPM 500GB HDD which I'll pull out to use as an external drive in favor of installing my own SSD in there. I'll probably almost never use that power, but I'd like to have it just in case. It's a lot cheaper if OP goes with the dual core i5 and integrated graphics. However, after being 3 years in college, I find it very useful to have a good resolution, numpad, and battery life. Another big reason why I chose the Sony over the others is the option to install a sheet battery which knocks battery life to around 10 hours and the total weight would only be about the same as last year's MBP 15". Also, logging into student account gives you a choice of either a free PS3 or Vita, so the gaming is covered there. tongue.gif
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