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post #91 of 274
6/18/12 at 5:37am
I didn't know we had this many conspiracy theorists. No offense to anyone, but I can pretty much guarantee that every single one of you is wrong.

OCN, I am disappoint.
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post #92 of 274
6/18/12 at 5:45am
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Then why wouldn't they take a sonar image while they were there?
Why not show larger photographs instead of just describing the area?
There is no evidence one way or another, just a story. I'd like there to be a UFO, but my critical thinking disallows me to not just brush this aside until they can pony up more than a few observations and unclear photos (a trend, mind you). I don't know enough about sonar and rock formations and they haven't provided any believable evidence, and it all comes across like they are insinuating a lot of things that need correlated facts to buy me over.
Again I'd love for there to be a UFO, but "these rocks not that sonar" isn't enough. Show me a comparable sonar, show my a photo of the area showing the full shape of the rocks they did find, show me someone giving a plausible explanation of the rock instead of just cryptically calling it a furnace and describing it as poured concrete, which obviously LEADS people to assume it is man made, etc.

For one it would be near impossible to get a photograph of the 60 meter across area, visibility at 85meters would be terrible. This isn't the waters off Hawaii.
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Seriously. Did anyone notice the image at the bottom of the article. It compares several versions of the sonar image to the photograph that's been released of rocks. They look nothing like each other. There's no way that rock formation could have been the source of those sonar images. Warning: Thpoilerth! (Click to show)
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Totally. They found and extracted the UFO already. Maybe not the same team, the government had MANY months to do this after the discovery, before the team finally went back there. In hindsight, we should have totally expected this.
Edit: Yup, here it is: http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/06/baltic-sea-ufo-search-russia-us-forces.html
All the team needs to do is take another sonar image of the same structure. If it turns out the same, then we will all shut up. But if the sonar produces a different picture, then we'll know.

Hey the rocks are 60m across, im pretty sure the photo isn't of the entire area.... They describe it as being 5m off the bottom and i cant see any rise in that photo, my guess is its just a small area of it.
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6/18/12 at 5:46am
You mean to tell me the "rocks" at the bottom of the ocean are... wait for it... rocks? Ok. I could have told them that without having to waste ??millions of dollars.
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6/18/12 at 5:52am
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For one it would be near impossible to get a photograph of the 60 meter across area, visibility at 85meters would be terrible. This isn't the waters off Hawaii.

Then they have a poor vehicle for backing their claims. Take multiple pictures from a close distance and stitch them into a panoramic. TRY to convince people. Show a GPS at the surface and a GPS at the site to verify the location, etc. If I tell you I own a dog that can play the trumpet, but he refuses to be photographed or recorded, are you going to believe me without serious testimonial from trusted sources?

Perhaps if you REALLY want to believe that a dog can play the trumpet, in which case I could easily convince you regardless of truth. The problem (no offense to anyone) with anyone who doesn't require proof is that you can not discredit them or discuss the weakness of their ideas, because they have already abandoned logic. I relish in mystery, but I don't try to fool myself into abandoning everything I've learned about truth and deception.

For instance, I'd love to be learning more about this to make my own conclusions, such as having a conversation about the reliability and resolution of the type of sonar they used on the ship, the type of geologic formations which could explain this and how they image, other sunken objects found in the Baltic that may be similar (there are MANY). All of those are more productive than theorizing about something you will NEVER be able to prove.
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6/18/12 at 7:33am
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I didn't know we had this many conspiracy theorists. No offense to anyone, but I can pretty much guarantee that every single one of you is wrong.

OCN, I am disappoint.

It is indeed disappointing. There's a huge lack of critical and logical thinking going on in the minds of a lot of people out there. It's disturbing when I look at everybody I meet and come across on a daily basis and find that most are only just educated enough to get a basic job, and even worse they're perfectly fine with how little they know. And I'm in one of the higher educated states as well, I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have to live in Louisiana. I don't mean to sound conceited or anything, I'm just thoroughly saddened by the whole thing. I wonder what kind of world we would be living in if most people we're intelligent, reasonable, understanding, etc? One can only dream I guess. And just to be clear, it's not that everyone should be required to be educated or smart (or informed on a subject in which you're attempting to make baseless claims), but if you're not, don't pretend to be.
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6/18/12 at 8:57am
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It is indeed disappointing. There's a huge lack of critical and logical thinking going on in the minds of a lot of people out there. It's disturbing when I look at everybody I meet and come across on a daily basis and find that most are only just educated enough to get a basic job, and even worse they're perfectly fine with how little they know. And I'm in one of the higher educated states as well, I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have to live in Louisiana. I don't mean to sound conceited or anything, I'm just thoroughly saddened by the whole thing. I wonder what kind of world we would be living in if most people we're intelligent, reasonable, understanding, etc? One can only dream I guess. And just to be clear, it's not that everyone should be required to be educated or smart (or informed on a subject in which you're attempting to make baseless claims), but if you're not, don't pretend to be.

What's even more disappointing is that many people who will argue that there is a conspiracy going on use the same logic and reasoning that religious fundamentalists use. They put the burden of proof on those reviewing their hypothesis rather than applying the burden of proof to the hypothesis they are putting forward. The U.S. used to be a beacon of the educated world and still is in many respects but more and more I see the masses falling into the traps of mysticism and pseudo-science. It infuriates me.

Challenge the claim that the object is just a bunch of rocks? They say you're not open minded or that there must be a conspiracy. Even when presented with examples that are infinitely more likely than it being a UFO or lost civilization.
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6/18/12 at 9:09am
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It is indeed disappointing. There's a huge lack of critical and logical thinking going on in the minds of a lot of people out there. It's disturbing when I look at everybody I meet and come across on a daily basis and find that most are only just educated enough to get a basic job, and even worse they're perfectly fine with how little they know. And I'm in one of the higher educated states as well, I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have to live in Louisiana. I don't mean to sound conceited or anything, I'm just thoroughly saddened by the whole thing. I wonder what kind of world we would be living in if most people we're intelligent, reasonable, understanding, etc? One can only dream I guess. And just to be clear, it's not that everyone should be required to be educated or smart (or informed on a subject in which you're attempting to make baseless claims), but if you're not, don't pretend to be.

Agreed. Like George Carlin once said : "Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe and most of them will believe you, tell them that the paint is wet and they have to touch it."
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6/18/12 at 9:23am
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It is indeed disappointing. There's a huge lack of critical and logical thinking going on in the minds of a lot of people out there. It's disturbing when I look at everybody I meet and come across on a daily basis and find that most are only just educated enough to get a basic job, and even worse they're perfectly fine with how little they know. And I'm in one of the higher educated states as well, I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have to live in Louisiana. I don't mean to sound conceited or anything, I'm just thoroughly saddened by the whole thing. I wonder what kind of world we would be living in if most people we're intelligent, reasonable, understanding, etc? One can only dream I guess. And just to be clear, it's not that everyone should be required to be educated or smart (or informed on a subject in which you're attempting to make baseless claims), but if you're not, don't pretend to be.
Every US citizen should be required to take a class in critical thinking or logic....
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I don't really consider myself the usual annoying conspiracy theorist per-say, but I do believe there's more to all of this than just rocks, and yes, I do believe that our government keeps plenty of information about extra-terrestrials/other things like extremely lethal/unbelievable military weapons hidden from the public, though for obvious safety reasons (not just to be annoying and secretive about things).
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6/18/12 at 9:28am
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I don't really consider myself the usual annoying conspiracy theorist per-say, but I do believe there's more to all of this than just rocks, and yes, I do believe that our government keeps plenty of information about extra-terrestrials/other things like extremely lethal/unbelievable military weapons hidden from the public.


Then you are the usual annoying conspiracy theorist.

I like you mate and you're grand on computers, but seriously? Yeah the government hides stuff, but the government is also made up of people, usually not particularly competent people. They couldn't hide aliens, and the excuses for why they would even want to are honestly pretty feeble.
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