Originally Posted by steelbom
That's not true. There's plenty of computer companies such as Alienware which sell incredibly overpriced systems and whilst members may say they're overpriced they hardly attract hate.
Alienware is STILL better than apple in terms of price / performance. In October, I had this argument with a friend. I used a computer built by myself as a base-price (i.e. 100% cost). HP was at about 140%, Dell at 160%, apple at 220%
. Apple is THE WORST offender when it comes to overpricing for hardware. I dont care about the 'great support' - im talking how much does it cost me to get 'X' part in my rig. If you really want Ill update and upload the spreadsheet. I doubt they've changed much since October 2011.
Also, Alienware DOESNT have a mindless following that upgrades when the latest model comes out. Go on any classifieds site (i.e. E-bay), and you can find hundreds of macbooks for sale from the LAST refresh because "im getting the new one".
And the Mac Pro isn't a good example of Apple products being overpriced as it's the odd one out. It hasn't been updated for two years which is far from the norm, and it's going to be at least another six months if not a year to a year and a half before it's updated again.
So basically you're admitting that Apple cant get its act together and figure out a desktop that isnt complete junk.
You don't have to buy the AppleCare but you should whether for the Retina MacBook Pro or the standard model. I'd say the same is true of any other laptop.
Lol what? I expect my laptop to work fine - If it breaks (provided its not massive user-error, like dropping it), its because its poorly designed. When I buy hardware, I get the MINIMUM warranty available. Why? Becuase hardware fails in two ways: almost instantaneously, or essentially never. If we're talking about a full system, chances are ANY failures will be minor. a RAM DIMM is probably $40, a hard-drive is sub $100. The only situation that buying a warranty makes sense is if you are expecting a MASSIVE failure. If you actually NEED a warranty to feel safe with a product, the product is obviously unreliable. End of story.
Surprisingly, my SAGER (see sig) which is almost 2 years old has had zero problems, even though its been dropped a bunch of times. I also upgraded the HDD to an SSD, the RAM, and if I really wanted to, I could upgrade / replace the DVD drive (with a blu-ray or 2nd drive), swap out the GPU and CPU, and even the thermal paste. I got the 1-year warranty on that.
Yeah? Do other manufacturers charge much less than $200 for 16GB of RAM? I checked a 15 inch quad-core HP laptop and they were charging $400 to upgrade to 2x8GB modules from 2x4GB modules.
No, but I can go to Amazon, or literally any computer shop and get 8GB of ram for under $40. So thats maybe $80 in RAM upgrades.
Again, this is OCN. If we REALLY have to buy a pre-built rig, we buy the minimum spec, then upgrade it ourselves to save money/get better parts.
But you're getting top notch hardware in a thinner, lighter system with a 512GB SSD and really long battery life, with a Retina IPS display.
The hardware is EXACLTY the same as in any other laptop. An intel CPU is an Intel CPU, same with an NVidia GPU, Samsung SSD, etc. The system is fairly average on its thickness considering the specs, and a 512gb SSD is admittedly fairly good, but a Crucial M4 512gb can be got for $400. The battery life is also fairly average now (a friend of mine has an i5, 8gb, etc. laptop with 10 hours, and its no thicker than the MBP), so thats also a moot point. The ONLY thing is has going for it is the screen, and even then its mostly a waste because the OS doesnt even run at native rez (it maxes out at 1920x1200). Its actually better to run windows 8 on it
There's some valid hate, but there is a lot of blind hate. I understand that though, I hate Beiber because it's fun and I enjoy it.
I would say 90% of the apple hate is legitimate, but only about 10% of it is expressed well. On the face of it I might hate apple because its "mainstream" and "not windows", but its actually because of all of the above.