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Pwnjohnson:

I've heard the price for a PAIR of Dual Core CPUs will be around $1,000, thus the same as the QX6700...

As far I know, those CPUs will be sold in matching pairs, so prices you hear will be for a kit.

I think the price for a 4x4 set up will not be much more than the price for a top-end Kentsfield set-up.
    
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My hypothesis on the matter at hand is that AMD will be weighing up the pros and cons of intels kentsfield and manipulating a strategy that will resolve the cons of the kentsfield, and satisfy the pros plus a little more. Look at the way AMD came on the scene and slaughtered Intels range of Pentium 2,3,4 and D. As usual, Intel were first on the scene bringing out the latest technology, and thus revealing the problems with such CPU designs. AMD comes on the scene 6months+ down the line and brings out a CPU with similar features to Intels latest range only having addressed the major problems with intels chip in a new design of chip. Look at the way CPUs have been released. Intel brought out the old Pentium 2 200+MHz range way back in the mid 90s. Amds response was a similar x86 platform of chip, and similar socket (Or rather slot) design. The AMD K6-III/450. Which performed more operations per cycle than its intel rival. The same was true for dual core CPUs. First was the Core Duo range from intel, then the X2 range from AMD. Now we are in the middle of the period between intel releasing Core 2 Duo and Core2 Quad, and AMD releasing another superior product.

This has been a rather contravertial post, so flame away. This is only my views, and may or may not reflect true facts.
    
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alk you have a point. Chozart, well, like I said, the basis for buying decisions should be price/performance. If AMD can nail Kentsfield in the head with a cheaper, better performing setup, AMD has my dollar, and vice-versa. I personally don't plan to buy until the 22nm and beyond days (saving for College, no need for fancy toys).
post #104 of 148
ALK does not have a point, he pretty much said AMD sits and waits until Intel makes a move first and takes their design and improves on it. Thats not how it works. The only reason(s) AMD is behind is because they're nowhere near as big as Intel, they don't have Intel's R&D capabilities nor do they have as many Fabs

Might I remind everyone that Rev.H taped out back in August, AMD doesn't have the time to back to the drawing boards after the release of Kentsfield to "fix" anything
    
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ALK does not have a point, he pretty much said AMD sits and waits until Intel makes a move first and takes their design and improves on it.
You do realize thats not what he meant right? The X2 isn't exactly a fluffed up Smithfield, no-where near it. I dont know how you get off saying something like that.
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You do realize thats not what he meant right? The X2 isn't exactly a fluffed up Smithfield, no-where near it. I dont know how you get off saying something like that.
How else can you interpret what he said?

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My hypothesis on the matter at hand is that AMD will be weighing up the pros and cons of intels kentsfield and manipulating a strategy that will resolve the cons of the kentsfield, and satisfy the pros plus a little more.
    
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I thought AMD only surpassed Intels performance in the Pentium 4 to Conroe period. Before then wasn't Intel always ahead?
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In addition, when looking at future plans, it seems that Intel is planning to go pretty wild.... releasing processors at a much faster pace than they used to.

I do believe that one of the reasons AMD was able to catch up with Intel is that Intel was complacent for a long time, relying on Netburst technology. In terms of performance, Northwood/Prescott was about the same, and we know how long those were on the market without significant changes (just increases of clock speed).

I believe we might see a much more dynamic market on both sides... Intel is taking AMD seriously now, and I don't think they have really done so before. Thus, Intel will be much more focused on performance and less on the notion that 'the masses will buy Intel anyways'. A lot of this has to do with the fact that Dell adopted AMD for several of their PCs and that AMD is gaining significant strength in the sever market.

We'll just have to see. It's going to be interesting. Intel fired the first shot in this battle (Core 2 Duo - I mean.. $180 for that kind of performance??), and now it's up to AMD to answer... and let's hope they do so before Intel fires the next shot.... I like to see competition.

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post #109 of 148
Theres a term for what Alk was referring to, but I cant remember it. Basically its when in this case, a Company (Intel) lays all their cards out too early, and another company (AMD) now knows what it has to beat or match.
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the '07 Quad cores are supposed to be 45nm "true" quad cores at 3.73Ghz i saw on a timeline
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