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He's not talking about Kentsfield... He's talking about Intel's next step in the Quad Core field... not sure what the name is, but it should be out by second half 2007 as far I know... LEt me do some digging.
    
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I knew AMD would come out with somthing but are they still going to do 4x4?
    
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Your information is off.

Before the end of the year Intel will have the Kenstfield out.

It needs the large amount of cache to compensate for the slower access time the CPU has to the RAM.

And you still didnt say anything about why the FSB wouldnt cripple it. I bet when all 4 cores are working, such as maybe in a server setup, there will be scalability problems because of it.

Jori I think you completely misread my post, basically by mid 2006 Intel will have already released a true quad-core, meaning that it is neither two dual-core chips stacked together nor two dual core cpu's on a motherboard like AMD. They will communicate INTERNALLY and not through the FSB which offers not the 1066mhz fsb communication between cores and L2cache but instead the internal clock rate, 2.66ghz (in the case of the 2.66ghz QX6700) for communcation between cores which means that all who are saying 'the FSB is oversaturated' will have the theory completely derided come mid 2007. Ill look up the article I read this in a post it, maybe I can even beat Chozart cause I think he is looking too haha.
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Actually you couldnt be more wrong, as of 6 months from now intel will release the quad core that is ONE chip with four cores in it which means that none of the communication between the cores will have to access the FSB and instead will communicate via the 2.66ghz inside the CPU (in the QX6700 case which is 2.66ghz rated) so it will still be on top even if AMD releases a true quad core at their 9ops a cycle standard.
Why is everyone crapping on AMD because it does less ops/cycle? Before C2D, AMD was the one with the higher ops/cycle and its architecture is a proven design and is still a pretty good performance/watt design. Because C2D is a newer and a better performing design, that doesn't mean that AMD all of a sudden becomes a bad design. Intel has raised the bar, it's not like AMD just all of a sudden started making bad processors. If AMD came out with a chip that does something like 15 ops/cycle, does that mean that C2D sucks?

Something to ponder about.....
    
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LOL.... when AMD pwned, everyone was crapping Intel also

And yes, we would all do the same to Core 2 Duo if AMD comes out with a better CPU.

It's just the way it works

PS: let go of the ops/cycle... That's not the way it works anymore, and not the main reason by Core 2 Duo rules.
    
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Why is everyone crapping on AMD because it does less ops/cycle? Before C2D, AMD was the one with the higher ops/cycle and its architecture is a proven design and is still a pretty good performance/watt design. Because C2D is a newer and a better performing design, that doesn't mean that AMD all of a sudden becomes a bad design. Intel has raised the bar, it's not like AMD just all of a sudden started making bad processors. If AMD came out with a chip that does something like 15 ops/cycle, does that mean that C2D sucks?

Something to ponder about.....

no, not bad but worse.
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And you still didnt say anything about why the FSB wouldnt cripple it. I bet when all 4 cores are working, such as maybe in a server setup, there will be scalability problems because of it.
Ahem http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/...age/page8.html

Please compare the Kentsfield running at 1066FSB and 1333FSB. Thank you.
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Ahem http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/...age/page8.html

Please compare the Kentsfield running at 1066FSB and 1333FSB. Thank you.
Who says that is using all the cores at 100%? Thats my point. I bet in servers that will come into place.
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Have you've seen the IDF video encoding test all the cores were at a 100% and Toms Hardware ran video encoding tests and the difference between FSB1333 and 1066 is marginal at best

I wont lie i am not a !00% sure that the test are the same from IDF but i am pretty sure that video encoding is multi threaded and that these cores maxed out. But i might be wrong and if i am please tell me. I wise man once said "You can never learn from people that agree with you all the time."
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