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We'll have to wait and see...
    
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I read it wowza. He made a few good points, but none that I honestly care about.

the two FX series processors are going to be bundled together apparently at just slightly over the cost of a single one (I'll believe it when I see it, but it's what I read).

the motherboard will probably be EATX, like it's server brothers, so space shouldn't be quite as tight. I think actually a dual socket motherboard would be practically impossible with ATX (look at your motherboard and imagine slamming another CPU socket on it anywhere!)

four memory modules isn't terrible, as it will be likely that users will be fast upgrading to 4 GB anyway as the system requirements of Vista begins to make games write "recommended: 4 GB of RAM" on the box. Having 4 X 1 sticks is cheaper (and probably faster) than 2X2 GB sticks. Hell even Dell recommended 2 GB of RAM for Vista machines, and these are word processors! You certainly don't want 3 GB of RAM do you?

and who said you'd have to buy two graphics cards?

If any of the counter arguments I've made have been even hinted as being untrue then please correct me. That fella (from my homestate nonetheless) knows nothing more than anyone else at this moment.
1. So, prepared to put down at least $1,500 for proc's? Better get your arms and legs ready.
2. EATX Motherboards are expensive, now throw in the kind of retarded configuration that 4x4 lays out. Yeah, Can you say motherboard for $800, maybe more? Did I mention theres little selection of EATX cases? Did I also mention the added expense? Hmm... ATX? Oh cmon, don't be silly. They'll make them, no one will buy them.
3. The memory comment is unclear. Cheaper + Faster Does not = Better. You forgot to factor in capacity. When games actually need 4 GB of memory, what good does it do to have 2? You just paid $3000+ for everything else and you decide to choke the system with that? Ok?
4. Two graphics cards are showcased as being required to take full advantage of the performance gains. Ask any gamer with a bangin' CPU if they buy a $2000 system and then get a single card, hell, even a crappy card. I didn't think so.

Any person with a clear understanding of the situation understands that AMD IS pulling a former Intel. 2 CPU's, 2 GPU's, A Motherboard that costs both arms, a cooling solution that costs both legs, and then you have to power it. Then comes the power bill, hehe . FCG knows what he's talking about. If your prepared to give up an arm and a leg because its AMD, well buddy, its your money, not mine.
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I think your comparing 4x4 too much to a traditional server setup pwnjohnson.
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I'm just arguing on behalf of price/performance. Even with the lowest components possible, its not exactly cheap. 4x4 was designed to combat Intel's new Core, and so, it won't be cheap afaik.
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The motherboard? I anticipate roughly $400. It's essentially two nVidia chipsets on one board. If 4X4 were going to be just another server board by Tyan or SuperMicro then I would expect few overclocking options, but as it's a nVidia chipset you reckon you'll see the typical overclocking options.

The memory? I was referring to running four 1 GB sticks, I don't understand what you mean there... That's ample capacity, tighter timings than running 2X2 GB sticks, and cheaper.

I actually summed up a socket F build and it came out to just around 2 grand.... not exactly both arms and legs and that was with ECC DDR2; this solution will use regular ole' DDR2.

Being ready to drop in two quad core CPUs next year? Priceless.
    
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Lol, with an energy drain like that I doubt you'll be overclocking anything. On price terms, well, this is why they didn't follow through with quadruple channel memory, manufacturing costs would be through the roof. Guess what, in this case scenario its the reason that theres only 2 slots to the chip, and the costs are still going to be through the roof .

Making mention of servers: Not the same scenario. Server boards don't have half the features that these boards will. Ex: 2+ PCI-E Slots, Extensive array of SATA connections and other connections, not to mention the hardware involved with making it work. If you also notice, a server board with 2x PCI-E slots isn't exactly cheap. Nothing under $500..

Also, since no one is saying anything about this, price/performance? That 2 grand machine most certainly did not have FX comporable processors on it. Whats the point of running a cheapo machine in that kind of setup? Why not buy a simpler rig? Same performance, right? Not only will a Kentsfield SLi setup be cheaper, it will consume less power, and put off less heat. The motherboard also won't cost an arm and a leg, not to mention dual channel is there. 1x Kentsfield Core: 125W (For 4 Cores!!!). 2x FX Chips (4x Cores) = 250W. Do I make myself clear?
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Being ready to drop in two quad core CPUs next year? Priceless.
Intel is planning on having a 45nm octal (8) core CPU around that time.
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post #98 of 148
With all this still being speculation, there's simply no reason to be anything other than optimistic, unless you dream of hardware failing. Stop being a hater and wait a month or so.
    
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Hehe, just stating the obvious. Its true, it really is just speculation. I'll wait and see, THEN yell at you .
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Intel is planning on having a 45nm octal (8) core CPU around that time.
I think the octo's are early/mid '08, so not technically next year. The first 45nm is supposed to be a die shrink of the Quads and that is supposed to be next year.


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Hehe, just stating the obvious. Its true, it really is just speculation. I'll wait and see, THEN yell at you .
No one should yell at anyone


When the parts hit the real world, a more accurate discussion can take place.....until then, being too forceful in your speculation can only set you up for a 50% chance to be wrong
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