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post #41 of 91
6/19/12 at 9:59am
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YOu need to not get that CPU ... here a link to some really clear review that it is on the bottm of the barrel for any type of real gaming you know.
Read through it and you will understand that the 60$ Intel kicks almost every AMD cpu offering when it comes to gaming man frown.gif
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120.html

what that tells is when you bench a AMD to intel at stock settings that is what you get they used a Biostar on the AMD's one of the lowest boards offered for th AM3 and AM3+ chips and for Intel they use one of the best boards for Intel (This comparison's LGA 1155 platform is built on Asus’ P8P67 Pro, a board that proved to be the best overclocker in one of our P67 motherboard round-ups.)
the Biostar you can oc on it but its a entry level OC board (The Socket AM3+-based machine employs Biostar's TA990FXE motherboard, which features the 990FX chipset. It recently proved itself a capable overclocker in our recent System Builder Marathon) and where AMD shines is being OC if you want out of the box Top level performance Intel is the way to go once again you are only presenting part of the facts
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post #42 of 91
6/19/12 at 10:04am
if your main components change from this then you are just asking for it ... (BTW)


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post #43 of 91
6/19/12 at 10:06am
Buy used.

Profit. Literally.

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post #44 of 91
6/19/12 at 10:12am
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what that tells is when you bench a AMD to intel at stock settings that is what you get they used a Biostar on the AMD's one of the lowest boards offered for th AM3 and AM3+ chips and for Intel they use one of the best boards for Intel (This comparison's LGA 1155 platform is built on Asus’ P8P67 Pro, a board that proved to be the best overclocker in one of our P67 motherboard round-ups.)
the Biostar you can oc on it but its a entry level OC board (The Socket AM3+-based machine employs Biostar's TA990FXE motherboard, which features the 990FX chipset. It recently proved itself a capable overclocker in our recent System Builder Marathon) and where AMD shines is being OC if you want out of the box Top level performance Intel is the way to go once again you are only presenting part of the facts

Oh brother where to start ...


1st - the Socket A or what ever AMD calls it that has a APU (witch is what he keeps linking is junk.) I have one in my HTPC, want me to bench it for you? I am not kidding the best if can do is trans coding on the fly and some 720 video ... i run 1080 i start getting weird anomalies and some nasty nasty weird color effects. So then throw in a better video card it is gimpted to a SUB PAR cpu ... no matter how you might interpurt the CPU ... it is junk for anything more then every day browsing ... my AMD 6000+ x2 is faster then this peace of junk. And I understand why AMD did it ... they just did a poor implimentation for a GAMER (<= see that, not HTPC or everyday use ...) but for gaming you are just asking to be sub par and worthless.

2nd - In the end it is his money and he will spend it as he will and maybe he will love what he gets maybe he wont .. but what I just layed out for him will work all the way up to a 1600p (what i am using) dang near flawlessly... stay with in budget and give him unrivaled gaming quality out of the box even VS AMD best OC it still will win.

here some cool link to understand video cards and where they sit in the grand schema of things:

http://www.overclock.net/t/502403/graphics-card-ranking-5th-time-and-last-updated-daily
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=598


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Buy used.
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this but with one caveat... make sure it is serialized and not name based warranty, and you are more then good to go (make sure to get the invoice too!!)
Edited by Jackeduphard - 6/19/12 at 10:14am
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6/19/12 at 10:24am
what are you using for ram on your A? the FM1 line of apu's are very ram senitive
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post #46 of 91
6/19/12 at 11:00am
a pair of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095

Look, in the end if he does AmD with the current CPUS out he is screwing him self. The list I made going to hold him over for a LONG time and everything has a min of 3 year warranty (except for the case)
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6/19/12 at 11:04am
your ram is way too slow


AMD AM3+ is good for sometime with out having to upgraded the mobo Piledriver is about out and then Steamroller so thats 3 to 5 years
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6/19/12 at 11:09am
Oh brother.

Look I know you have good at heart ideas but you have no idea what you are talking about. The gain from going from 1333 to 1800+ is minimal in any type of use.... uhhh nothing personal but i dont feel like arguing with you over this and there are plenty of good bench marks and supporting facts that show little to no gain on

its like going from a 2600k to a 3770k ... all about EP... in fact from a 2400 to a 3770 is just not worth the money more the small bump when you can get a better video card with that money and get a lot more bang for the $ again in this situation the AMD A8-3870K is utterly worthless compared to a 2400 or even the intel stock dual cores.

so we are clean he links the AMD A8-3870K Unlocked Llano 3.0GHz Socket FM1 and the that socket sucks for gaming @ the money he is willing to spend ... if he was looking for a 300$ rig i would think it owuld be fine but he is looking @ a 1200$ rig.
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6/19/12 at 11:19am
yes and I wasent saying a A8 rig Im saying a 8120 over clock will be very close to a 2600k

8120 + a good oc board = 300
2600 + a good board to handle mid OC =380 to 400

the savings can be used for a better gpu
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6/19/12 at 11:32am
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yes and I wasent saying a A8 rig Im saying a 8120 over clock will be very close to a 2600k
8120 + a good oc board = 300
2600 + a good board to handle mid OC =380 to 400
the savings can be used for a better gpu

You are still missing the fact.

You are trying point something out but have no idea how to do it. So you just state one thing and Assume it is fact.

In a HEAVY LINUX THREADED situation yeah a 8 core can do very well.

In gaming and anything else this dude is looking for doing the Intel Dual core kick the crap out of the 8 cores. OC or not.

You are still wrong, like it or not Windows is optimized for intel and AMD does not and has not capitalized this and they fail to make a better x86 chip. It is that plain and simple ... has nothing to do with SQUIZING so much more 100's mhz out of a chip ... and using 2x the amount of power to get what intel would give you for less power and a cheaper price then what you would lead people to think.

I challenge you to show where a i5 2400 is bested (with out OC and with) by the 8 core on GAMING and show me where this super crazy speed of ram increases the Use of a badly built cpu ...

You are asking why do you know this and how? (I just got rid my Amd build and did a Intel because of the sub par performance I was getting)

and if this kid is willing to use a TON more energy and produce a LOT more heat in is rig as well as have to worry about the life of his chip being cut down ever so quickly then I say go for it bro smile.gif but I would wait and like to see what this guy is going to pull out and 10 to one he only shows a few bench marks and nothing definitively.
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