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There's tons of things for the netherlands to be jealous of. Being relevant is the obvious one.

And Europe is in much worse shape then the United States right now. For all the talk of great Euro education you clearly don't read the news very often. I for one am glad my government is pursuing a policy of investment rather then pulling everything back. But that is what happens when an entire continent is dependent on one country.
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There's tons of things for the netherlands to be jealous of. Being relevant is the obvious one.
And Europe is in much worse shape then the United States right now. For all the talk of great Euro education you clearly don't read the news very often. I for one am glad my government is pursuing a policy of investment rather then pulling everything back. But that is what happens when an entire continent is dependent on one country.

I kindly request this :

Please try commenting without hating on anyone in every single post.

Thank you.
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EDIT: Think of a nuclear warhead as this thread, for example. This computer will run simulations of an untold numbers of variables (keystrokes) to predict the point at which it devolves into an out-the-ass argument over when China will conquer the world. At that point, the thread will be closed; i.e., the nuclear warhead destroyed.

^^^^Hilarious.

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Company builds world's fastest computer but everyone is complaining about what it is used for.

^^^^ Unfortunately everything becomes a pissing contest on the interwebz. (Don't get me wrong I definitely have an opinion, but usually it is pointless to try and get it accross.)
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Used to extend the life of nuclear weapons frown.gif
They should be using that to find cures for diseases or something......

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Precisely my thoughts.
I heard a quote somewhere but I can't find it. It went something along the lines of everything America cares about is militarised. Even the lead attorney is called a General.
This research is for nukes. Nobody is going to actually use a nuke in war again.
The US has thousands of them, more than they need to destroy the entire planet. If a few hundred old nukes don't work, then so be it.
And it comes down to mentality. The world's most powerful computer... used to keep killing machines in working order. Yay! Why on Earth would they want to put it to a use that will actually help humanity, like finding cures for diseases or something like that?

Using computers to find cures for diseases?
That's strange... both of your folding postbits must be invisible.
We already have a ~7 PFLOP network working towards cures for dozens of diseases. tongue.gif

While I agree that U.S. "defense" spending is a little bit out of line, there are certain things worth investigating. Ff it means greater understanding of weapons that have the power to tear the world apart, then I think it's a good investment.
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It also runs Xeon Phi.... (aka Knight's Corner aka Larrabee)
rolleyes.gif That's an argument? Really?
An attorney general is a term for a "main legal advisor to the government". The "general" part is "a general power of attorney to represent a principal in all matters". The term general here is a legal term, not a military term.
Even England uses the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_general#United_Kingdom
Question for you... how do we KNOW our nukes still work?
1) Physically test them every few years.
2) Simulate them.
Which would prefer?
If another country figures out that our stockpile is completely worthless and we have been wasting billions maintaining useless weapons.... where does that put the US? MAD as deterrent is moot and it would take years for the US to develop more weapons.
Duckie is right. As much as we need computers working on biomedical technology, this is hardly something that we can afford to neglect. If there's one thing that nuclear anything has taught us, it's that you can't let things go unchecked.

It should also be interesting to see how these new Xeon Phi perform!
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Honestly, shouting "LOL!" at the start of your argument does make you a little ignorant. You're suggesting the arguments made by others are so dumb that it makes you laugh out loud. Even if you did regard others' opinions as such, you don't need to actually type it out.

Well, it is your ASSUMPTION that I am laughing because I feel that prior arguments were dumb. You would be wrong. That's the problem with forums. Even if I do regard those opinions as dumb, I would say so because some people need to know when they say stupid things so possibly they learn not to ASSUME or say dumb things... Even me. Or you.

Yes I am guilty of being ignorant to the fact that this is and always will be OCN...
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Well, it is your ASSUMPTION that I am laughing because I feel that prior arguments were dumb. You would be wrong. That's the problem with forums. Even if I do regard those opinions as dumb, I would say so because some people need to know when they say stupid things so possibly they learn not to ASSUME or say dumb things... Even me. Or you.
Yes I am guilty of being ignorant to the fact that this is and always will be OCN...

Let me just point out "you are assuming I am laughing". But yet you said lol...
    
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What previous machine?

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Oohh ok i guess i was wrong then if there was no previous machine. If this stops them from testing with real nukes. But i would rather see all nukes be-gone nobody will ever use them because if somebody does it will end up with everybody throwing nukes at everybody.

Actually there have been multiple previous machines, including a couple of Cray's, several SGI's a few IBM's and another system I don't remember (I didn't get to see that one).

There was a report on the local news station (Oakland I think) that had an interview with one of the researchers. Go to www.ktvu.com and on the lower section look for the lawrence livermore video.

One of the researchers was talking about how they can model a human heart down to the cellular level and simulate the interaction of chemicals on the body in real time.

Having done work at Lawrence Livermore labs, I know that they "lease" the computer time out to many groups, including medical research teams and other stuff like fluid dynamics, etc. They are not always running Nuclear simulations.
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Let me just point out "you are assuming I am laughing". But yet you said lol...

Let me quote the WHOLE statement:
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Well, it is your ASSUMPTION that I am laughing because I feel that prior arguments were dumb.

I am not denying a little laugh...
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LOL!
You have no idea what the capabilities of the US military are if you even slightly believe this. Being a superpower means you have to contribute more than cheaply made toxic products to the rest of the world...
Like Duckie posted, HPC's are purposely built for specific tasks. The compute power required to simulate nuclear explosions (and containment practices) require the most sophisticated hardware on the planet. The US still uses other supercomputers to investigate disease, famine, weather, volcanoes, earthquakes, car crashes and just about everything else (as do other countries).

I'm not sure if you are old enough to know this, but remember back when Japan used to be like China when it made products? Look at it now; Japan's economy has boomed and know they're developing cutting-edge technology. Imagine if Japan put that money into a military. Now imagine how much military power China could buy after its economy booms.

If this was the early 90's you might have a point, Japan's economy is actually doing pretty poorly compared to 15-20 years ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/japans-economic-crisis-is-a-cautionary-tale-for-the-united-states/2012/03/09/gIQAb8fx5R_story.html

Yes China has money and their military strength will increase, but I really don't see China starting any major wars, the rest of the world would probably not allow it.
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If this was the early 90's you might have a point, Japan's economy is actually doing pretty poorly compared to 15-20 years ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/japans-economic-crisis-is-a-cautionary-tale-for-the-united-states/2012/03/09/gIQAb8fx5R_story.html
Yes China has money and their military strength will increase, but I really don't see China starting any major wars, the rest of the world would probably not allow it.
the rest of the world wont allow china to go to war?

hahaha!dont test this theory!if any nation!was to go vs china!yes including india!within a decade there wouldnt be any earth to speak of!ask any nation that went vs them!america only went vs vietnam,all farmer supposedly yet we lost the war,russia vs afganistan (sorry if i got the wrong name you know who i talk about)russia went home with their tail between their leg also !we dont talk major power here we talk small nation!vs china?the whole planet would loose!not because we couldnt win,but because afterword we woul;dnt be able to reconstruct even if we wanted to!
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