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Hi!

I'm currently using an AMD Phenom II X6 1090T at stock clocks with the stock cooler. I am going to upgrade my PC and was thinking about going for an Intel build this time around.

The CPU I'm currently considering is the core i7 3770.

The 3770 has 4cores/8threads and my current 1090T has 6cores/6threads.


Questions:

i) Does the 1090T hold any advantages over the 3770 due to having a higher number of cores?
ii) Are there any games that can take advantage of the six cores? How will the 3770 perform with the upcoming game titles, considering that it is a quad-core?
iii) How long do you suppose I'll be able to run games at max settings with the 3770, considering a possible GPU upgrade in the near future?
iv) what are the differences between x79 and z77? which would be a better option for gaming purposes?
v) How would an ASUS Sabertooth Z77 be for overclocking? According to ASUS site, it has a 8+4+2 phase design. will it be good enough to achieve ~4.2 GHz with the 3770?
vi) are 'non-K' CPUs overclockable? if so, what speed can I hope to achieve with a 3770 combined with a good PSU and a liquid cooler (possibly Corsair H80)?


My sole purpose for the upgrade is gaming at max settings and I wont be able to upgrade for at least another 3 years. I'm currently using 1920x1080 screen but hope to upgrade to 2560x1440 in the near future. So please keep these points in mind and advise accordingly.


I'm very much open to suggestions.

Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the help! smile.gif
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post #2 of 28
1) No.
2) Not really. The 3770 is more than capable of handling all games out there right now.
3) See 2.
4) Z77 is cheaper and plays games just as well if not better. You are limited to 2 graphics cards for the most part, but that's more than enough 99.9999% of the time.
5) It is a great board for overclocking and i have seen nothing but positive reviews for it on this forum.
6) No they are not. Make sure you buy a 3770k. You can easily get 4.5ghz with an h80. Usually up to 4.8 if you get lucky.

Suggestion: Save 100 bucks and get a 3570k. It is a quad core without hyper threading and you will see absolutely no difference in games compared to a 3770k.

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I don't know how many times I have said this but the best bang for the buck is the i2500k hands down I would get that and a good ASRock motherboard.thumb.gif
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post #4 of 28
Welcome smile.gif

bgineng is completely right. Both the 3570k and the 3770k are more powerful then the 1090T.
The i7 has no advantage over the i5 on gaming terms. So if you don't do any graphical software or heavy computing tasks, you waste te potentioal and money.

The same extends to the difference between the Z77 and the X77. The X77 offers a gamer nothing, with the exception on more PCIe Lanes, which is only relevant if you are planning on more then 2 GPU's. But even then there is no card that is limited by a 8x PCI-e2 port, left alone an 8x PCI-e3.

So, grab the 3570k, the Sabertooth Z77 and a good cooler (like a H100 with quieter fans, those big high end air coolers or better yet: custom WC) and overclock away!

[Edit to respond on langer1972's post]
Because the 2500k can be pushes further then the ivy-bridge 3570k, you will end up similar in the end. The price difference between them in not grand, but the cash difference between the supporting motherboards is.
Getting a 2500k with a Sabertooth P67* is an excellent way to go and saves you 70$ at least.

*not the only motherboard that is good of course, but I stick tot the Sabertooth theme wink.gif
Edited by Zenka - 6/18/12 at 11:19am
post #5 of 28
In a nutshell:
X79 is for LGA2011 socket, you want a Z77/Z68 board for IB/ SB (LGA 1155 socket).
4.0 Ghz on IB / SB is like 3.6 Ghz on your Phenom = a rather small overclock. Any board will reach that speed. Boards don't matter as much as the CPU for overclocks anyways (in the case of IB/SB).

Personally I find the Sabertooth a bit gimmicky, I got the P8Z77-V Deluxe for a little more but got more features.
But it's definitely a good board.

If you want to overclock you will need to get a "K" CPU. They have much better resale value as well.
For gaming a 3570/2500k will do. I think you'll be way more GPU limited if you plan on maxing out your games.
I'd get a 3570k unless you can get a 2500k - 2600k for a good price. PCIe 3.0 bandwidth ill come in handy in the future if you plan on SLI/Xfiring .

Just a quick explanation of the Intel's line-up:
X79 => LGA 2011 socket, this is the enthusiast series of Intel, more PCIe lanes and a higher price.

Z77/Z68 => LGA 1155 socket, this is the mainstream series of Intel. Much better bang for your buck. SLI/CF possible @ 2x x8 lanes (or 2x x16 if you have a motherboard with a PLX chip, but the connection between the CPU and the PLX chip is still 1 x16)

Sandy Bridge (32nm) / Ivy Bridge (22nm) both fit on 1155 and Z77 / Z68
2500k ==> 3570k ( 4 Cores/ 4 threads) = best bang for your buck if you game and overclock
2600k ==> 3770k (4 Cores / 8 threads) = Supports hyperthreading, great if you run multi-threaded programs (or if you record your gameplay)

Sandy bridge overclocks a bit higher than Ivy Bridge because it doesn't get as hot. Ivy Bridge has a bit higher IPC (5 - 10 %) and has lower power consumption. It supports PCIe 3.0 as well which is preferable for "future proofing" ( inb4 you can't future-proof mimimimimimi).
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I havent read any other replies so sorry if I sound similar to someone else. I have the z77 sabertooth with the 3770k yes 4.2gz is easily possible (I have that with my turbo boost on and no overclock) the z77 is the latest and greatest and as far as Im concerned Intel has a gun to AMDs head at the moment when it comes to cpus. If the 3770 cant run a game then 90% of pc gamers cant play the game ( so the answer is yes the 3770 can play any game) Im not sure if you cant somehow unlock a 3770 I suppose you cant otherwise everyone would save the 50 bucks and just unlock it like the 3770k so I would just pitch in the extra cash.
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Thanks a lot for the replies everyone! I have quite a few more inquiries about my upgrade, so please bear with me! smile.gif

AFAIK 'non-k' versions have locked multipliers, but are still overclockable. Am I wrong about this? This concerns me because 'k' version of 3770 is not available in my country.But even without overclocking, turbo will provide me with 3.9 GHz at least, right?

It seems like I'm set with the mobo, Sabertooth Z77 will probably be the better option. x8 slots wont be a bottleneck even if I SLI/CF, so thats good.

About GPU :
I had been considering a GTX 690 until now, but seeing that it has only 2GB of effective memory, now it doesnt seem very "future-proof" to me, esp considering that a few games cross the 2GB limit.
I have found out that EVGA has 4GB versions of GTX 680. I am considering two of them in SLI right now. How does that sound?


Please note the following :
i) I have never used CF/SLI setups before, so it'd really help if you could tell me about its demerits (heat issues, excessive stuttering etc.)
ii) I am currently not biased towards any brand, so feel free to suggest the option that you think would be best for me.
iii) Before ruling out the need for 4GB buffer, please consider the fact that I want to run ALL upcoming titles, port or not, at max settings (full MSAA/FXAA) @2560x1440 resolution @60+ FPS for the next 3 years.

I cannot stress enough on how important the bolded part is.

A little recap : I had been considering the MSI R7970 Lightning until I checked out some benchmarks and found out that the 690 rules over any other card when it comes to FPS. Thats when I thought about going for it. But now this VRAM issue has come up.

Also another issue that I have noticed being discussed about is whether its AMD thats better or Nvidia when judging solely on the basis of Image Quality and color reproduction. Please enlighten me about this as well.


Lastly, I cannot afford to run into any sort of bottlenecks within the next 3 years, esp after I spend a fortune. I know its impossible to predict what the future holds, but still, suggest/advise me as much a future-proof setup that can be built right now.


Thanks a lot! I really appreciate all of you taking the time to help me with this! smile.gif
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Ok first of all, yes, you can turbo up to 3.9 on non-k versions. With minor base clock adjustments (to about 103), you can hit 4GHz.

Good mobo choice, you will not be bottlenecked especially because of pci-e 3.0.

The GTX 690 is a Dual GPU card with 4GB of vram. It has the highest framerates because it is 2 underclocked GTX 680s on one PCB. Each gpu gets 2GB of that 4GB of vram. So if you want to have a 4GB vram card, then you will have to get a 670/680, or go with a 7970 for 3GB vram. I don't own a graphics card this nice, so I cannot comment on either of them.
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I have another question.

Is there any LGA1155 motherboard that can fully utilize a 3-way crossfire setup with 3 7970s? The CPU still has to be 3770 though.

What I've come across is that LGA1155 CPUs only provides 16-lane pcie lanes in total, so a 3-way crossfire setup would not be compatible with it. Am I right?

What would I have to do in order to use a 3-way crossfire setup and assure that the setup will use the GPUs to its full potential?


Thanks a lot! smile.gif
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I have another question.
Is there any LGA1155 motherboard that can fully utilize a 3-way crossfire setup with 3 7970s? The CPU still has to be 3770 though.
What I've come across is that LGA1155 CPUs only provides 16-lane pcie lanes in total, so a 3-way crossfire setup would not be compatible with it. Am I right?
What would I have to do in order to use a 3-way crossfire setup and assure that the setup will use the GPUs to its full potential?
Thanks a lot! smile.gif

You need a board with a plx chip. It allows boards with 16x pci-e lanes to run 4 slots at 8x-8x-8x-8x.
Example (and an expensive one at that):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131850&Tpk=asus%20p8z77%20premium
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