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I prefer the small dies from both companies. A graphics card heating up my computer room is ridiculous and I hope I never end up with one that does it again.
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post #52 of 79
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I prefer the small dies from both companies. A graphics card heating up my computer room is ridiculous and I hope I never end up with one that does it again.

So buy a mid-range card and let people who want more power and don't mind the heat buy top-of-the-line.
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So buy a mid-range card and let people who want more power and don't mind the heat buy top-of-the-line.

I don't want mid-range performance.

Switching from 580 SLI to a 7970 was awesome. The 670 is even better. The performance they're squeezing out of these things is great as is. I don't really see the need on the software side for big cards anyway. What this year is going to really push your PC any harder then what's already out? The only two leaps in graphics I see are 1313 and Watch dogs and it will be a year and a half at least before we see them. (As they are obviously designed for next-generation consoles) Not only that but both were debuted and working great on current hardware.
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I don't want mid-range performance.
Switching from 580 SLI to a 7970 was awesome. The 670 is even better. The performance they're squeezing out of these things is great as is. I don't really see the need on the software side for big cards anyway. What this year is going to really push your PC any harder then what's already out? The only two leaps in graphics I see are 1313 and Watch dogs and it will be a year and a half at least before we see them. (As they are obviously designed for next-generation consoles) Not only that but both were debuted and working great on current hardware.

So people should Crossfire/SLI (which doesn't scale as well, takes more power, takes more room and more un-needed PCI-e lanes) instead of just getting a stronger card?

If you don't want the heat and power consumption of a stronger card, then don't buy the stronger card. But don't ask for the cards to be gimped just because you want to own something labeled "high end".
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So people should Crossfire/SLI (which doesn't scale as well, takes more power, takes more room and more un-needed PCI-e lanes) instead of just getting a stronger card?
If you don't want the heat and power consumption of a stronger card, then don't buy the stronger card. But don't ask for the cards to be gimped just because you want to own something labeled "high end".

I'm not asking for anything to be gimped. I'm also obviously not asking for a product to be labelled high end just for the sake of it. Clearly both the 680 and 7970 are high-end cards. What I'm saying is that cards like the 480 or 280 are totally ridiculous.

Like I stated above there is no software out there to take advantage of anything more powerful anyways. Unless you are running multiple monitors or insist on supersampling everything in which case yes you should just CF or SLI. AMD got it right four years ago with 4xxx series and with any luck Nvidia will continue on their current path rather then release a 7bn transistor monstrosity that nobody needs anyway.
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I'm not asking for anything to be gimped. I'm also obviously not asking for a product to be labelled high end just for the sake of it. Clearly both the 680 and 7970 are high-end cards. What I'm saying is that cards like the 480 or 280 are totally ridiculous.
Like I stated above there is no software out there to take advantage of anything more powerful anyways. Unless you are running multiple monitors or insist on supersampling everything in which case yes you should just CF or SLI. AMD got it right four years ago with 4xxx series and with any luck Nvidia will continue on their current path rather then release a 7bn transistor monstrosity that nobody needs anyway.

So... You're asking that they keep chip sizes smaller so they produce less heat, and that people CF/SLI if they want to actually max something. You don't want to buy a mid-range card even though you want the lower heat this would give you. You're asking that they keep their cards from their max potential "because nothing needs it" (by keeping the size smaller, when obviously they can make bigger ones).

You're asking that they gimp their top-of-the-line potential.

I personaly think I would take a massive die size over a 6990/590/690. It would preform better anyway, since it could raise the bar without relying on driver-bound CF/SLI, and the not-so-perfect scaling they represent.
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So... You're asking that they keep chip sizes smaller so they produce less heat, and that people CF/SLI if they want to actually max something. You don't want to buy a mid-range card even though you want the lower heat this would give you. You're asking that they keep their cards from their max potential "because nothing needs it" (by keeping the size smaller, when obviously they can make bigger ones).
You're asking that they gimp their top-of-the-line potential.
I personaly think I would take a massive die size over a 6990/590/690. It would preform better anyway, since it could raise the bar without relying on driver-bound CF/SLI, and the not-so-perfect scaling they represent.

What you personally think has nothing to do with the advancement in the science of silicon technology.
Fact is your computer is 4 years old or older, how would you know? (Its rhetorical)

This is typical for amd time lines. Good to see. Competition drives technology.
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What you personally think has nothing to do with the advancement in the science of silicon technology.
Fact is your computer is 4 years old or older, how would you know? (Its rhetorical)
This is typical for amd time lines. Good to see. Competition drives technology.

Double the cores on a single chip does not produce more performance then 2 normal chips in CF/SLI?

Please, prove me wrong.

Also note that the only part where I said "i think" was in regard to which option I would chose if there was such a choice.
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Drivers are fine since 12.5 beta and recent versions, 12.6, (June 4) 12.6, (June 12) and 12.7 beta all are good drivers, in fact they are amazing in BF3.

So please guys, don't make the discussion about drivers.
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Wow. Pretty surprising. One thing AMD has going for them is that they're never late to market, they consistently release in 1 year intervals.

Hahahahaha, oh man, so funny. I actually love what AMD has been doing on their graphics side, since the HD4000 I switched and so far I haven't looked back.

That being said the big problem for AMD on the cpu side has been missed dates. Its what put them a generation behind in the first place, when the first Phenom's were so delayed and had so many problems.

Anyway, I am really interested in these chips.
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