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6/21/12 at 9:06am
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Not sure I'd agree with this part. The standard model works extremely well with the majority of physics. It's only really large scale astrophysics (where dark energy and dark matter come into play) that it doesn't fit. If we do find the Higgs, then the standard model will be even better and that gap that's been around a while will be filled. If the standard model is wrong, there aren't really any good competing theories that fit.
From most of the guys (and gals) I've talked to/worked with in the astrophysics department, we're still hoping that the standard model is correct, and we just need to find a way for dark matter/energy to fit, as it'll require less of a 'rewrite' of physics!

Yeah.... really big physics and really small physics still have that gap...

Noble prize to anyone who can explain it entirely! thumb.gif


...and more than one gal in your astrophysics department?!
Edited by DuckieHo - 6/21/12 at 9:20am
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6/21/12 at 9:22am
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http://ww3.tvo.org/video/173839/nothing Check this out, it should help you a bit. (won't answer all those questions though)
And I believe there are 10 dimensions based on my extremely limited knowledge of super string theory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCQx9U6awFw

sadly the first video might have been acurate back then ,but it isnt anymore.nasa found out when their prope reached the surface of our solar buble(for lack of better word)surface of our solar bubble is basicly the sun interaction via its magnetic field etc product some kind of protection for us,we are mooving inside the universe at such a speed its insane,and the sun is basicly protecting us from the majority of particle,this means a lot of info we go doesnt take into account the rest of the universe,what are those particle made of etc etc!

anyway good video ty for link!quantum field theory ?i like it!

yep sadly we are in a enormous solar bubble so a lot if not all reading we get are flawed!(yep we re back to the earth is flat all over again!)
Edited by drbaltazar - 6/21/12 at 9:26am
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6/21/12 at 10:09am
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sadly the first video might have been acurate back then ,but it isnt anymore.nasa found out when their prope reached the surface of our solar buble(for lack of better word)surface of our solar bubble is basicly the sun interaction via its magnetic field etc product some kind of protection for us,we are mooving inside the universe at such a speed its insane,and the sun is basicly protecting us from the majority of particle,this means a lot of info we go doesnt take into account the rest of the universe,what are those particle made of etc etc!
anyway good video ty for link!quantum field theory ?i like it!
yep sadly we are in a enormous solar bubble so a lot if not all reading we get are flawed!(yep we re back to the earth is flat all over again!)

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Yeah.... really big physics and really small physics still have that gap...
Noble prize to anyone who can explain it entirely! thumb.gif
...and more than one gal in your astrophysics department?!

That gap between the two was one of the reasons why Einstien had such a big problem with accepting quantum physics. It is a counter intuitive concept that, say light (which can be described as photons), has momentum, but no mass. People who have taken any sort of physics formally will say, "But, momentum is described by the formula P=mv in classical physics! How can light, with a mass of 0, have momentum? It makes no mathematical sense!". It doesn't, according to Newtonian physics. But, with quantum theory it can be explained.

(don't ask me to explain it, my knowledge of quantum physics is poor at best. I am merely explaining the examples that can give people an idea of just how strange quantum physics is).
Edited by ArchLinuxFTW - 6/21/12 at 10:37am
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6/21/12 at 10:40am
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sadly the first video might have been acurate back then ,but it isnt anymore.nasa found out when their prope reached the surface of our solar buble(for lack of better word)surface of our solar bubble is basicly the sun interaction via its magnetic field etc product some kind of protection for us,we are mooving inside the universe at such a speed its insane,and the sun is basicly protecting us from the majority of particle,this means a lot of info we go doesnt take into account the rest of the universe,what are those particle made of etc etc!
anyway good video ty for link!quantum field theory ?i like it!
yep sadly we are in a enormous solar bubble so a lot if not all reading we get are flawed!(yep we re back to the earth is flat all over again!)

I don't think you understand how a lot of this works.

The heliosphere does block the majority of interstellar particles, but it doesn't do anything noticeable to the light, which is where we get almost 100% of our extrasolar observations from.
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6/21/12 at 10:53am
Someone asked about how come the universe didnt disappear jnstantly. Well first, for a few million years the universe was a soup of forces until it was cool enough for matter to form. During this time scientists theorize that a charge on some particles that only exist in a super condensed form caused he imbalance.
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6/21/12 at 11:13am
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I don't think you understand how a lot of this works.
The heliosphere does block the majority of interstellar particles, but it doesn't do anything noticeable to the light, which is where we get almost 100% of our extrasolar observations from.

might of he been mis-translated the "space-time" bubble I've seen described when talking about the "4th deminsion"?

edit: nvm, looked up what heliosphere meant was/is

edit edit: freaking tenses.
Edited by Nocturin - 6/21/12 at 11:16am
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6/21/12 at 11:36am
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If it's true it would be a major thing I suppose. But I think that man spends to much time trying to understand the universe, why don't these scientists put there heads together to fix some of the problems we have on this planet? I'm all for discovery and space exploration (huge star trek fan) but to me it only makes sense to take care of things we can take care of now instead of learning something that very well may not have any usefulness for many many generations if ever. As I understand it science in general knows more about physics, space, the universe in general than we know about our own oceans. That just seems wrong to me.

I like your sentiment, because it makes sense, but to me I'm glad that there are fields of scientists out there that are going "back to the beginning" We have thus far not been able to answer the 1st question and that is like a thorn in the side of all existence for us. What are we,where do we come from, what does all this mean? Well technically 3 questions but I'm sure ya get my point. If finding this gets them one step closer to putting to rest some of the "fairy tales" out there, then go GO GO!!! Cause those "fairy tales" are destroying us.
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6/21/12 at 11:36am
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Someone asked about how come the universe didnt disappear jnstantly. Well first, for a few million years the universe was a soup of forces until it was cool enough for matter to form. During this time scientists theorize that a charge on some particles that only exist in a super condensed form caused he imbalance.

Are you talking about the matter / anti-matter imbalance?
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6/21/12 at 11:51am
Great video from someone who doesnt believe there is a "god particle"
His theory that everything is small black holes tying everything together with gravity makes alot more sense then the higgs particle to me thumb.gif
Edited by Ironcobra - 6/21/12 at 11:55am
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6/21/12 at 11:54am
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Source(s)?
That gap between the two was one of the reasons why Einstien had such a big problem with accepting quantum physics. It is a counter intuitive concept that, say light (which can be described as photons), has momentum, but no mass. People who have taken any sort of physics formally will say, "But, momentum is described by the formula P=mv in classical physics! How can light, with a mass of 0, have momentum? It makes no mathematical sense!". It doesn't, according to Newtonian physics. But, with quantum theory it can be explained.
(don't ask me to explain it, my knowledge of quantum physics is poor at best. I am merely explaining the examples that can give people an idea of just how strange quantum physics is).

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/index.html
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-177


I probably shouldnt have but here it is. Might be over kill but you asked for info
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