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I love how you guys are going on about heat, temperature, etc, etc.....when all the OP did was show a simple graph that had nothing to do with that conversation. rolleyes.gif
It would be handy if you had some actual PROOF to backup your claims though. Just showing us a graph means nothing. I can make up that same graph on my Athlon x2 6000+ rig.

in all fairness they adding the other things between the 2500k and 3570k in general.



.....2500k/3570k > Athlon X2 6000+ biggrin.gif

I enjoy all architectures equally. biggrin.gif Except Netburst. sozo.gif
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Whoa.

 

2cables is back? Whoa.

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Whoa.

2cables is back? Whoa.
For now. wink.gif
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What does this even mean?
Also if you replace the TIM under the IHS with coollaboratory liquid pro IB can easily clock better than SB as this reduces temperatures by around 20-25C and been proven by multiple threads on this site.

Linkage? I thought the testing showed the TIM issue was negligible, even with on die contant?
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Real world performance difference = Nothing

If you understood a little bit more of software and algorithm programing and profiling you wouldn't say that. Maybe, for the games that you - and most of us - play it has no real impact. However, if you're dealing with some kind of application that its main routines are memory bound, instead of computational bound, it can significantly boost the performance.
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Linkage? I thought the testing showed the TIM issue was negligible, even with on die contant?

I think you mean leakage and no that is not the problem. Ivy runs on lower voltage and consumes less power and puts out less heat so higher leakage makes no sense. And Intel themselves said the 3d transistors were made to lower the amount of leakage.....
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Intel's 3-D Tri-Gate transistors enable chips to operate at lower voltage with lower leakage, providing an unprecedented combination of improved performance and energy efficiency compared to previous state-of-the-art transistors.
source

As for proof of the bad TIM.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1260540/i7-3770k-intel-tim-as5-mx4-pk1-lqp-ix
http://www.overclock.net/t/1256584/tpu-tim-is-behind-ivy-bridge-temperatures-after-all
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265007/yet-another-ivy-tim-replacement-great-results-48x-at-1-40v
http://www.overclock.net/t/1256686/another-ivy-bridge-die-tim-removal

So with all this there would be no reason that Ivy isn't better in pretty much every way. I would definitely take IB over SB any day if I was upgrading from something before SB.
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I enjoy all architectures equally. biggrin.gif Except Netburst. sozo.gif

It had its time tongue.gif I hate the AMD Istambul because of its memory architecture, specifically the cache (and, consequently, Magny-Cours)!
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I think you mean leakage and no that is not the problem. Ivy runs on lower voltage and consumes less power and puts out less heat so higher leakage makes no sense. And Intel themselves said the 3d transistors were made to lower the amount of leakage.....
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Intel's 3-D Tri-Gate transistors enable chips to operate at lower voltage with lower leakage, providing an unprecedented combination of improved performance and energy efficiency compared to previous state-of-the-art transistors.
source
As for proof of the bad TIM.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1260540/i7-3770k-intel-tim-as5-mx4-pk1-lqp-ix
http://www.overclock.net/t/1256584/tpu-tim-is-behind-ivy-bridge-temperatures-after-all
http://www.overclock.net/t/1265007/yet-another-ivy-tim-replacement-great-results-48x-at-1-40v
http://www.overclock.net/t/1256686/another-ivy-bridge-die-tim-removal
So with all this there would be no reason that Ivy isn't better in pretty much every way. I would definitely take IB over SB any day if I was upgrading from something before SB.

No, I should left out the "age" or put a hyphen "link-age" tongue.gif

Thank you though, you answered my question. I had seen some things but I didn't think it was that signifigant of a drop. I didn't follow through with it though. Wow, I'm glad that's what it was and not something else that we couldn't control.

A de-lidded IB is actually an option for the brave, the hungry, and the cold lachen.gif

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