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Originally Posted by Mkilbride 
Then you are foolish.
People consume coffee like it's water in large parts of the U.S, I don't know about other countries, but in the U.S, Health Studies already show that the majority of Americans consume more Caffine than is healthy for them. This just makes everything about it easier, cheaper, and just so much more tempting to do.
Personally; I'm using Crystal Light *Energy* right now, which is a powder mix I add to water, I chose Grape, it contains 60mg of Caffine, a little more than a soda.
I can get pack of 9-10 of them for 3-4$. I like them, and I don't abuse them, maybe have one, perhaps two a day, while I'm at work. They have water dispensers at my work, freshly purified, so I just bring a water bottle and enjoy the usage.
Coffee? I drink none.
Energy Drinks? A rare occasion.
Soda?
Maybe 2 a day, 3 if I have the day off.
Then you are foolish.
People consume coffee like it's water in large parts of the U.S, I don't know about other countries, but in the U.S, Health Studies already show that the majority of Americans consume more Caffine than is healthy for them. This just makes everything about it easier, cheaper, and just so much more tempting to do.
Personally; I'm using Crystal Light *Energy* right now, which is a powder mix I add to water, I chose Grape, it contains 60mg of Caffine, a little more than a soda.
I can get pack of 9-10 of them for 3-4$. I like them, and I don't abuse them, maybe have one, perhaps two a day, while I'm at work. They have water dispensers at my work, freshly purified, so I just bring a water bottle and enjoy the usage.
Coffee? I drink none.
Energy Drinks? A rare occasion.
Soda?
Maybe 2 a day, 3 if I have the day off.
The majority of Americans(and other countries) consume a lot of things moreso than what is "healthy".
There's also dosage-to-weight to consider, also metabolism, etc. Someone that's 150lbs sopping wet will be affected differently than someone 300lbs by 100mg of caffiene. Not to mention if the 150lb person is mostly fat, and the 300lb person more muscle. There's a lot to consider what's really unhealthy or dangerous.
You can also make the argument against the artificial sweetener and other things in Crystal light, but it pretty much boils down to this. Anything can be unhealthy. Some things even in minute doses are(arsenic, cyanide, uranium, etc.), other things we need relatively large amounts to even survive(oxygen, iron, magnesium, etc.)
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Originally Posted by RedScorch
Caffeine is heavily dependent on the person also, I have a friend that can take 1000mg no problem and he doesn't even get excited. Me on the other hand a 200mg pill and I'm wired for a good amount of time. 200mg pill vs 2 cups of coffee vs 4 cans of mtn dew, The pill is the most fast acting and gives you a better caffeine buzz as does 2 cups of coffee vs the 4 cans of mtn dew. A couple days ago I was up for a day and a half and after I lost the want to stay up the caffeine kept my heart pounding and I could feel it as I went to sleep. Also too much can cause you to become short of breath when you exert yourself. I say if you really feel like staying up it isn't horrible to take a pill or two but you have to be responsible about what you're doing.
Caffeine is heavily dependent on the person also, I have a friend that can take 1000mg no problem and he doesn't even get excited. Me on the other hand a 200mg pill and I'm wired for a good amount of time. 200mg pill vs 2 cups of coffee vs 4 cans of mtn dew, The pill is the most fast acting and gives you a better caffeine buzz as does 2 cups of coffee vs the 4 cans of mtn dew. A couple days ago I was up for a day and a half and after I lost the want to stay up the caffeine kept my heart pounding and I could feel it as I went to sleep. Also too much can cause you to become short of breath when you exert yourself. I say if you really feel like staying up it isn't horrible to take a pill or two but you have to be responsible about what you're doing.
I see I wasn't the 1st to bring up this point.
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Originally Posted by rxsocal
Advice: just buy the 200mg caffeine pills at any pharmacy. Blast is pretty much a rip off.
Both are not FDA approved because food, as caffeine is categorized, is not subject to the same strict regulations.
I'm a pharmacist.
Advice: just buy the 200mg caffeine pills at any pharmacy. Blast is pretty much a rip off.
Both are not FDA approved because food, as caffeine is categorized, is not subject to the same strict regulations.
I'm a pharmacist.
Why would you want to do that? They take longer to gain effect, and you're consuming many other fillers and byproducts. I know propylene glycol is a "generally considered safe" by the FDA, but I try to avoid consumption of it if I can for more than just it's similarities to anti-freeze. One could argue convenience, but a small shake in an easy to use and carry container that works in <1min is far better than a pill that takes 10-30minutes to work.
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Originally Posted by rxsocal
How YOU react to Blast is subjective. And claims by YOU or your company about what exactly is in your product can be stated but not proven. Supplements like these are not FDA approved to be safe or effective. The purity of your caffeine or whatever is not regulated. Who is the manufacture of your product? Do they follow USP standards? Is it produced in a clean and safe environment? I do not doubt that this product works for YOU. But don't claim it's PURE, organic, YADA YADA. Just because your caffeine is extracted from coffee beans doesn't mean jack **** about "organic". In fact, all caffeine is extracted from coffee beans. There is no biochemical way of synthesizing caffeine CHEAPLY. The cheapest and easiest way is to get it from coffee beans....so why make a big deal out of organic?
How YOU react to Blast is subjective. And claims by YOU or your company about what exactly is in your product can be stated but not proven. Supplements like these are not FDA approved to be safe or effective. The purity of your caffeine or whatever is not regulated. Who is the manufacture of your product? Do they follow USP standards? Is it produced in a clean and safe environment? I do not doubt that this product works for YOU. But don't claim it's PURE, organic, YADA YADA. Just because your caffeine is extracted from coffee beans doesn't mean jack **** about "organic". In fact, all caffeine is extracted from coffee beans. There is no biochemical way of synthesizing caffeine CHEAPLY. The cheapest and easiest way is to get it from coffee beans....so why make a big deal out of organic?
Yes, reactions to all drugs is subjective. There are differences physiologically and psychologically that will affect how any drug performs person to person. You as a pharmacist should know that. He is like any other reviewer, be it of a piece of equipment or drug. It's subjective. There will always be facts one can add such as "I get xxFPS in Crysis w/ xyz CPU @ A clocks", or "1 shake is approximately 100mg and has a quicker effect than consumption of an equal amount of caffeine in a pill or drink".
There are scientific standards to follow when making a "pure" substance, even if the FDA doesn't put their stamp of approval on it. Since it is a food product "Organic" has a legal definition, and would mean that the likelihood of pesticides, etc getting into the extracted mix are little to none. As I implied earlier, the FDA puts their stamp of approval on tons of things that really should not be consumed; they are not the be-all end-all source for determining whether something is safe or not. As a pharmacist this was probably engrained into your skull, so I can't blame you too much, lol.
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Originally Posted by Pavix
You see it appears that on some things TwoCables is like me. empirical data trumps theoretical. He tried it, he liked it and now he tells people he likes it. It doesnt mean he works for the company that makes it, or sells it. He tried it, it was better than other caffeine options so he shares his experience. I for one am glad he does.
You see it appears that on some things TwoCables is like me. empirical data trumps theoretical. He tried it, he liked it and now he tells people he likes it. It doesnt mean he works for the company that makes it, or sells it. He tried it, it was better than other caffeine options so he shares his experience. I for one am glad he does.
This. If I have a good experience, especially an above average-ly good experience w/ a place of buisness or product, I will go out of my way to recommend it since truly good products and service seem to be very rare. I will also do the inverse when warranted. Have a particularly bad experience, I will share what happened and advise others to stray away.
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(Nothing you consume is going to have an instant effect. Taking anything orally will be at least 15-30 minutes for the substance to metabolize and absorb. Even insufflation and rectal dosing takes at least 5-15 minutes to absorb and take effect. Unless you're shooting up caffeine, nothing is going to take effect immediately)
I can believe FULL effect, and that some is psychological, but many things can and will have effect in <1 minute. Snorting or inhaling many drugs have an instantaneous effect. Albeit many due to their effect on the area applied. Albueterol(sp?) for instance works within seconds to help relieve bronchial swelling. Caffiene and Cocaine both can act as blood vessel constrictents IIRC, which would cause an immediate effect.
While far from the best deal for the milligramage given, you are paying for convenience of a powder dispenser. Realistically, one could purchase this, then buy a kilo of caffeine on ebay or amazon and refill it.
Edited by DesertRat - 7/3/12 at 2:01am
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