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Editor's Choice award over at Anandtech. It's the first Mac to receive this distinction.
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The internals are easily the best collection of parts Apple has ever assembled. Ivy Bridge and Kepler are natural fits, but shipping the machine with 8GB of memory by default is a much appreciated gesture especially considering its un-upgradeable nature. For the first time in Apple’s history of shipping NAND flash based storage in Macs, I actually have no complaints about the controller choice in the rMBP. Samsung’s PM830 (or the consumer, SSD 830, version) is what I’ve been recommending to Mac users for much of the past year. It’s still possible that you’ll end up with a non-Samsung controller, and I don’t yet know whether or not that’s a bad thing, but this is at least progress.

The connectivity story on the rMBP is near perfect. The pair of Thunderbolt ports allows extra flexibility as well as the ability to drive more bandwidth to external IO than any prior portable Mac. The Thunderbolt teething issues still remain unfortunately, but it looks like that’s going to require at least a partial act of Intel to rectify. USB 3.0 is a welcome addition to the Mac family. It took both Apple and Intel far too long to get to this point, but I’m glad it’s here.

All of this is really just wrapping however, as the real gift is the MacBook Pro’s first Retina Display. It’s easily the most beautiful display I’ve had the opportunity of using. Even more impressive to me than the iPad’s Retina Display, and enough to make me actually want to use the Mac as a portable when at home rather than tethered to an external panel. The added portability of the chassis likely contributes to that fact though.

The credit Apple deserves for the display extends beyond simply pushing LG to get a panel out on time and in large enough quantities. There’s a tremendous amount of software work that Apple put into making the Retina experience work under OS X. The OS and several key applications have been updated to properly support the MacBook Pro’s Retina Display, and things can only get better from here. Mountain Lion will improve performance and I would expect at least a few key app updates over the next year to bring increased Retina awareness.

There’s also the behind the scenes work Apple put in to make all of this happen. The pressure on the GPU vendors, as well as taking matters into its own hands with writing scaling and filtering routines to deliver a good experience are all noteworthy.

It’s because all of this that I’m doing something I’ve never done before in an Apple review. We rarely give out Editor’s Choice awards at AnandTech, and I’m quite possibly the stingiest purveyor of them. I feel that being overly generous with awards diminishes their value. In this case, all of the effort Apple has put into bringing a Retina Display to the MacBook Pro is deserving of one.

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i feel like putting windows and linux on this kind of a waste (im not an osx fan), but it also seems like the best hardware out right now on a laptop. and i get a discount as a student.

im trying to decide between this and a series 7 (when samsung finally gets around to updating them) but leaning towards this.

i dont even care about the resolution that much. i just like weight, form factor, the fact it has the best battery available right now, and that it's 16:10 (soo much better than 16:9 on a laptop where you already dont get much vertical space)

with this release apple seems to be the contemporary heir to the old ibm thinkpads
Edited by perfectblade - 6/23/12 at 10:52am
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I found this part of the review particularly interesting:
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Achieving Retina

To make the MacBook Pro’s Retina Display a reality Apple had to work with panel vendors to build the panels it wanted at a reasonable cost, as well as deliver the software necessary to support insanely high resolutions. There was another problem Apple faced in making the rMBP a reality: the display pipeline of the GPUs Apple wanted to use didn't officially support scaling to the resolution Apple demanded of them. Let me explain.

All modern GPUs have fixed function scaling hardware that is used to efficiently scale between resolutions. A scaler either in your GPU or in your display panel is what lets you run non-native resolutions at full screen on your LCD (e.g. running 1680 x 1050 on a 1920 x 1080 panel). None of the GPUs used in the Retina Display MacBook Pro officially support fixed-function scaling of anything to 2880 x 1800 however. Modern day GPUs are tested against 2560 x 1440 and 2560 x 1600, but not this particular 5MP resolution. Even 4K resolution support isn’t widespread among what’s available today. Rather than wait for updated hardware and/or validation, Apple took matters into its own hands and built its own GPU accelerated scaling routines. Fixed function hardware is almost always more efficient from a performance and power standpoint, which is why there’s some additional performance loss in these scaled resolution modes.

What’s even crazier is Apple wasn’t pleased with the difference in baseline filtering quality between the Intel HD 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M GPUs. As the Retina Display MacBook Pro would have to regularly switch between GPUs, Apple wanted to ensure a consistently good experience regardless of which GPU was active. There are a lot of filtering operations at work when doing all of this resolution scaling, so rather than compromise user experience Apple simply wrote its own default filtering routines. Apple’s obsessive attention to detail really made it possible to pull all of this off. It’s just insane to think about.
 
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i feel like putting windows and linux on this kind of a waste (im not an osx fan), but it also seems like the best hardware out right now on a laptop. and i get a discount as a student.
im trying to decide between this and a series 7 (when samsung finally gets around to updating them) but leaning towards this.
i dont even care about the resolution that much. i just like weight, form factor, the fact it has the best battery available right now, and that it's 16:10 (soo much better than 16:9 on a laptop where you already dont get much vertical space)
with this release apple seems to be the contemporary heir to the old ibm thinkpads

Samsung NP700Z5C is already out. Not that huge of a sacrifice considering the $1100 savings. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Series-NP700Z5C-S01US-15-6-Inch-Laptop/dp/B0083S3OWW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340473899&sr=8-1&keywords=np700z5c
 
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Samsung NP700Z5C is already out. Not that huge of a sacrifice considering the $1100 savings. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Series-NP700Z5C-S01US-15-6-Inch-Laptop/dp/B0083S3OWW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340473899&sr=8-1&keywords=np700z5c

yeah its been out forever but it doesnt have ivy bridge yet. i can get the mbpr for $2000 because im a student, so it's more $700 less but i agree its still a big difference. i really hope when they update it they put 1080p on it at least. 1600x900 on a performance computer at that price is just dumb

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I found this part of the review particularly interesting:
considering that the gpu doesnt officially support the resolution yet, does this mean it wont be able to display the full resolution in windows and linux (assuming windows and linux support it)?
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i feel like putting windows and linux on this kind of a waste (im not an osx fan), but it also seems like the best hardware out right now on a laptop. and i get a discount as a student.
im trying to decide between this and a series 7 (when samsung finally gets around to updating them) but leaning towards this.
i dont even care about the resolution that much. i just like weight, form factor, the fact it has the best battery available right now, and that it's 16:10 (soo much better than 16:9 on a laptop where you already dont get much vertical space)
with this release apple seems to be the contemporary heir to the old ibm thinkpads

Samsung NP700Z5C is already out. Not that huge of a sacrifice considering the $1100 savings. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Series-NP700Z5C-S01US-15-6-Inch-Laptop/dp/B0083S3OWW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340473899&sr=8-1&keywords=np700z5c

Really?

The Samsung has a HDD, the MBP comes standard with an SSD using the Samsung 830 controller.

The Samsung has a 1600x900 screen with a crappy TN panel. The MBP is using a 2880x1800 screen with an IPS panel. The MBP's screen has almost four times the resolution of the samsung.

GT650M in the MBP vs. GT 640M in the Samsung.

Samsung comes with 6GB RAM standard, MBP comes with 8.

Samsung is larger, 35% thicker, and weighs almost a pound more (4.4 vs 5.3 lbs).

The retina panel in the MBP alone is worth ~$800. Just look at how much a Dell U3011 costs, and then consider that the retina panel in the MBP has MORE resolution.

Here's what Anand had to say about the screen:
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It’s the combination of these two elements, the removal of the cover glass and the insanely high pixel density that makes everything from text to UI elements just look painted on the new Retina Display. And the effect is gorgeous. I’ve never seen a prettier panel and it’s actually ruined me for pretty much all other displays, notebook and desktop.

One look at my sig, and it should be easy to tell that I'm no Mac fanboy. But I do not think the retina MBP is overpriced. I think the price is fair for what you get, and considering no other laptop on the market today has a screen like this. Now, it's priced out of the reach of many people, but that is not the same thing as being overpriced. The average person can't afford a yacht or private jet, but that doesn't necessarily mean those luxury items are "overpriced."
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@perfectblade, that is the Ivy Bridge model. Any Core-i starting with the number 3 is Ivy Bridge.. so i7-3615QM is Ivy Bridge.

@996, Yes, there's a difference in specs. But you can get a 256GB SSD for $200 now. Still, the price difference is huge, and for what the Samsung 7 is, it's a really solid value. Perhaps the MBP 15 is worth the extra $900 to some, but $900 is a decent amount of money. There's a difference between being overpriced and not being worth the premium - the latter is completely subjective. MBP 15 probably is justified in the cost, but that doesn't mean the extra cost is worth it to most people. You put up the U3011 monitor example- for example, I don't need a 30" monitor for what I do, and it wouldn't help me get it done any faster, or at a higher quality, so to me a U3011 isn't worth it's price. Some people probably need it for work, or photography/what say you, but my perceived value of it is probably less than the cost to manufacture.
 
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iFixit disassembled theirs and revealed a Toshiba based SSD.

And it's been reported that both LG and Samsung are suppliers of the screen.

Panel and SSD lottery anyone?
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@perfectblade, that is the Ivy Bridge model. Any Core-i starting with the number 3 is Ivy Bridge.. so i7-3615QM is Ivy Bridge.
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the only series 7 that has been updated so far is the 17" though unfortunately. the 15" is still stuck on fermi and sandy (this is according to samsung's website)

as for whether it is overpriced, it seems to me like a good value for what it is. in fact, it makes previous macbook pros look really overpriced in comparison. but for my purposes, i don't really need the best screen out there, i just need something that more or less works. the battery life, weight, and form factor are definitely a plus though

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iFixit disassembled theirs and revealed a Toshiba based SSD.
And it's been reported that both LG and Samsung are suppliers of the screen.
Panel and SSD lottery anyone?

lg and samsung both make some of the best screens out there, so it seems like a win-win to me. though i guess id probably prefer lg slightly
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iFixit disassembled theirs and revealed a Toshiba based SSD.

And it's been reported that both LG and Samsung are suppliers of the screen.

Panel and SSD lottery anyone?

LG and Samsung both make great screens. In fact, few manufacturers out there make a "bad" IPS panel. For example, I have an LG IPS panel in my 27" desktop display and a Toshiba IPS panel in my Thinkpad X200t. Both look excellent once calibrated and don't show any color shifting even at extreme angles.


As for the SSD, where are you getting that iFixit found a Toshiba SSD?

Here's the iFixit teardown of the Retina MBP, they clearly depict a Samsung 830 based SSD inside. Anandtech's benchmarks support the use of a Samsung 830 based SSD.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display-Teardown/9462/2

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