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6/23/12 at 3:24pm
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Very poor and biased review. Did not compare performance to other devices outside of charts that Apple typically shines in - display categories. Battery life is garbage for this kind of device - as expected. Outside of how attractive the display and chassis is, this machine really does...suck. Heck, it's practicaly a blade crap.

Please show me a 15" ultra portable notebook with an ~8hr battery life + 2880x1800 IPS screen + 256/512/768GB Samsung 830 SSD + IB quad core and a dedicated GPU.

Don't be upset your notebook is a piece of junk compared to the Retina MBP.
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post #22 of 53
6/23/12 at 3:28pm
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Please show me a 15" ultra portable notebook with an ~8hr battery life + 2880x1800 IPS screen + 256/512/768GB Samsung 830 SSD + IB quad core and a dedicated GPU.
Don't be upset your notebook is a piece of junk compared to the Retina MBP.

RE battery life: A review I read (Ars, I think) tested the battery for web browsing and consistently ended up under 7 hours. Anand's two web tests put it at 7.30 (for a "light" workload) and 5.02 (for a "medium" workload). I'd guess that actual battery life is somewhere in between for most users.
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post #23 of 53
6/23/12 at 3:29pm
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Very poor and biased review. Did not compare performance to other devices outside of charts that Apple typically shines in - display categories. Battery life is garbage for this kind of device - as expected. Outside of how attractive the display and chassis is, this machine really does...suck. Heck, it's practicaly a blade crap.

Please show me a 15" ultra portable notebook with an ~8hr battery life + 2880x1800 IPS screen + 256/512/768GB Samsung 830 SSD + IB quad core and a dedicated GPU.

Don't be upset your notebook is a piece of junk compared to the Retina MBP.

15 inches is not an ultraportable in my book at all. That being said, I want the Retina MBP.
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6/23/12 at 3:31pm
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15 inches is not an ultraportable in my book at all. That being said, I want the Retina MBP.

weight is more important in size imo. it weighs 4.5 pounds, about as much as a lot of 13" notebooks
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6/23/12 at 3:39pm
Anything over 4 pounds (my personal cutoff is closer to 3.5 pounds) is outright, not an ultraportable. Call it a "lightweight 15" " if you wish. My 13" laptop with a standard-voltage i3 weighs just 3.2 pounds, FWIW. Apple is in the minority with a 4.5 pound 13", that's the "not even trying" weigh-for-size class. Sony Vaio S, Thinkpad X1, Asus U30-series, etc. all are 13" standard-voltage laptops under 4 pounds.
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i like your objective perspective
ms releases another x86 tablet with similar specs to current x86 tablets: "this is revolutionary"
apple releases a new laptop with the longest lasting battery in any laptop and highest resolution ever: "this thing is crap and has crap battery life"

Thinkpad W520, 9 hour battery life. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-w520.aspx
Macbook, 8 hours. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-with-retina-display.aspx

If you mean battery longevity, most (all?) Samsung laptops from the last couple years at least, have batteries that hold 80% charge after 1500 cycles, Samsung 7 being one of many laptops. http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP700Z5A-S0BUS-features
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post #26 of 53
6/23/12 at 3:44pm
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15 inches is not an ultraportable in my book at all. That being said, I want the Retina MBP.

It weighs 4.46lbs.
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6/23/12 at 3:46pm
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Anything over 4 pounds (my personal cutoff is closer to 3.5 pounds) is outright, not an ultraportable. Call it a "lightweight 15" " if you wish. My 13" laptop with a standard-voltage i3 weighs just 3.2 pounds, FWIW. Apple is in the minority with a 4.5 pound 13", that's the "not even trying" weigh-for-size class. Sony Vaio S, Thinkpad X1, Asus U30-series, etc. all are 13" standard-voltage laptops under 4 pounds.
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i like your objective perspective
ms releases another x86 tablet with similar specs to current x86 tablets: "this is revolutionary"
apple releases a new laptop with the longest lasting battery in any laptop and highest resolution ever: "this thing is crap and has crap battery life"

Thinkpad W520, 9 hour battery life. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-w520.aspx
Macbook, 8 hours. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-with-retina-display.aspx

If you mean battery longevity, most (all?) Samsung laptops from the last couple years at least, have batteries that hold 80% charge after 1500 cycles, Samsung 7 being one of many laptops. http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP700Z5A-S0BUS-features

The problem is, in order to get that kind of battery life out of a Thinkpad, you need the 9 cell battery.

That adds a lot of weight and size, since it sticks out of the back of the laptop. My Thinkpad T61 weighed about 4.5 lbs with the 4 cell, but with the 9 cell it weighed in at over 6 pounds. Even my 12.1" X200 tablet weighs almost as much as the retina MBP once I put in the 8 cell extended battery.

The retina MBP's ability to get 7 hours of battery life while driving a 2880x1800 screen is very impressive. Even more impressive is the fact that it only weighs 4.4 lbs.
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6/23/12 at 3:48pm
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Anything over 4 pounds (my personal cutoff is closer to 3.5 pounds) is outright, not an ultraportable. Call it a "lightweight 15" " if you wish. My 13" laptop with a standard-voltage i3 weighs just 3.2 pounds, FWIW. Apple is in the minority with a 4.5 pound 13", that's the "not even trying" weigh-for-size class. Sony Vaio S, Thinkpad X1, Asus U30-series, etc. all are 13" standard-voltage laptops under 4 pounds.
Thinkpad W520, 9 hour battery life. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-w520.aspx
Macbook, 8 hours. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-with-retina-display.aspx
If you mean battery longevity, most (all?) Samsung laptops from the last couple years at least, have batteries that hold 80% charge after 1500 cycles, Samsung 7 being one of many laptops. http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP700Z5A-S0BUS-features

Yes with a huge 9 cell battery that adds weight.
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6/23/12 at 3:49pm
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Thinkpad W520, 9 hour battery life. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-w520.aspx
Macbook, 8 hours. http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-with-retina-display.aspx

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Yeah i guess i didnt take into account things like 9 cell batteries and sheet batteries. But with the mbpr they found a way to have a large battery and still keep it light. With the 9 cell in that laptop it weighs more than two pounds more. You also have to consider that the battery in the mbpr is powering a higher rez screen. Its rated at 7 hours even though it is 20% larger than the battery in the old mbp (which were also rated at 7 hours).

Samsung makes nice laptops with similar internal batteries, but the one in the current mbp is also 20% larger than any batteries they currently have
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6/23/12 at 3:50pm
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The problem is, in order to get that kind of battery life out of a Thinkpad, you need the 9 cell battery.
That adds weight and bulk. My T61 weighed about 4.5 lbs with the 4 cell, but with the 9 cell it weighed in at over 6 pounds. Even my 12.1" X220 tablet weighs more than the retina MBP once I put the 8-cell extended battery in.

The retina MBP's ability to get 7 hours of battery life while driving a 2880x1800 screen is very impressive. Even more impressive is the fact that it only weighs 4.4 lbs.

doh.gif Can we just stick to facts? the W520 comes with a 9-cell standard. The Macbook Pro 15 has a similar battery capacity, at 95Whr (vs. ~90-95Whr of the W520). perfectblade simply stated the MBP 15 has the highest battery life of any laptop, and I simply provided a rebuttal. Nothing more, nothing less.

But since we're at it, quoted from here: http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x220.aspx
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At 12 x 9.1 x 1.25 inches and 3.6 pounds (with a nine-cell battery), the ThinkPad X220 is extremely light and thin, ...
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