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Here's a list of my stable speeds, voltage and temps:
Nice chip! Hope i get one more like that next time.....
has anyone here ever seen/used this stuff?

says 1.22W/m.k on it "ZP Heatsink Compounds" just trying to figure out if its safe on h100 and 3770k
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I'm using slots 1 and 3 (red) for two way sli because of my watercooling setup and I haven't had any issues, I know in the manual it says to use 2b with dual sli.. Both of my cards are running at 8x
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This is what the ASUS manual shows: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

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I wanted to confirm PCI-E slots for SLI on Maximus V Extreme. The manual say slots PCI-E 1 and PCI-E 2B for two cards. The top slots is 1 and the Black slots is 2B? If you used a bridge between GPU's is it a 3 slot connector? I am switching EVGA Z77 FTW for Maximus V Extreme and want to order the right Heatkiller GPU-X² / GPU-X³ X Dual Link Bridge Block - 3 Sot (10194) for Quad SLI 690GTX's .
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I'm using slots 1 and 3 (red) for two way sli because of my watercooling setup and I haven't had any issues, I know in the manual it says to use 2b with dual sli.. Both of my cards are running at 8x

AFAIK the reason for the slot locations is simple - if you are only using two slots then you have no need to employ the bridging chip to engage the additional PCIe 3.0 lanes. Unfortunately, the board isn't configured to allow you to use the bridging chip to get SLI/CFX two card in X16 X16... two cards will always essentially be in X8 X8 configuration (since even if you used slot 2A it would be in X8+X16 at best... but the X8 card would be the card driving the display(s) so it wouldn't really matter).

The bridge chip adds a small amount of latency which creates additional microstudders in CFX - so if it's not necessary (i.e. single or dual GPU configurations) then ASUS recommends not using the red slot so it can effectively become a RVG - with an unused PCIe backplane.

EDIT:
I should add that I ran benchmarks with my cards initially in the 1 & 2A slots and later in the 1 & 2B slots as indicated in the manual - and the differences between the two (in both Heaven and 3DMark) were less than would be attributable to a more "settled" system (i.e. no stray threads in the background updating something or whatever). To be honest I think the scores were offset anyway - like one bench was .02% higher and the other lower by the same amount.

Not really surprising because I think (based on simple conjecture, I don't have intimate knowledge on SLI/CFX architecture nuances) mixed speeds/lanes is meaningless and used simply for marketing. If you think of the output to the display(s) like a car assembly line... if the 'chassis guy', the 'windows guy' and the 'interior guy' can output 100 units per day - it doesn't matter that the 'brakes & tires guy' can do 200 (or 500 for that matter)... there will only be a maximum of 100 produced per day.

So if you have X8 X8 X8 X8 vs X8 X16 X8 X16... you shouldn't see any difference at all. Likewise for speed... if you have two cards in PCIe 2.0 slots and two in PCIe 3.0 slots... you are never getting 3.0 speeds at all - so basically you have a 4 slot PCIe 2.0 setup. (Thankfully that limitation doesn't affect the MVE... but the lanes issue above definitely does apply).

Food for thought. biggrin.gif
Edited by DiGiCiDAL - 12/12/12 at 10:48pm
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AFAIK the reason for the slot locations is simple - if you are only using two slots then you have no need to employ the bridging chip to engage the additional PCIe 3.0 lanes. Unfortunately, the board isn't configured to allow you to use the bridging chip to get SLI/CFX two card in X16 X16... two cards will always essentially be in X8 X8 configuration (since even if you used slot 2A it would be in X8+X16 at best... but the X8 card would be the card driving the display(s) so it wouldn't really matter).
The bridge chip adds a small amount of latency which creates additional microstudders in CFX - so if it's not necessary (i.e. single or dual GPU configurations) then ASUS recommends not using the red slot so it can effectively become a RVG - with an unused PCIe backplane.
EDIT:
I should add that I ran benchmarks with my cards initially in the 1 & 2A slots and later in the 1 & 2B slots as indicated in the manual - and the differences between the two (in both Heaven and 3DMark) were less than would be attributable to a more "settled" system (i.e. no stray threads in the background updating something or whatever). To be honest I think the scores were offset anyway - like one bench was .02% higher and the other lower by the same amount.
Not really surprising because I think (based on simple conjecture, I don't have intimate knowledge on SLI/CFX architecture nuances) mixed speeds/lanes is meaningless and used simply for marketing. If you think of the output to the display(s) like a car assembly line... if the 'chassis guy', the 'windows guy' and the 'interior guy' can output 100 units per day - it doesn't matter that the 'brakes & tires guy' can do 200 (or 500 for that matter)... there will only be a maximum of 100 produced per day.
So if you have X8 X8 X8 X8 vs X8 X16 X8 X16... you shouldn't see any difference at all. Likewise for speed... if you have two cards in PCIe 2.0 slots and two in PCIe 3.0 slots... you are never getting 3.0 speeds at all - so basically you have a 4 slot PCIe 2.0 setup. (Thankfully that limitation doesn't affect the MVE... but the lanes issue above definitely does apply).
Food for thought. biggrin.gif

Thanks. I found this.

The Maximus V Extreme comes with four dual slot spaced PCI-E slots which run through the PLX bridge chip to allow for full PCI-E 3.0 to four cards at x8 bandwidth. ASUS also has a PLX bypass for native PCI-E performance in dual card configs by using the top #1 slot and the Black (2B) slot which allows direct PCI-E lanes from the CPU without any interaction with the PLX bridge. This can net you up to 5+% in gameplay which is really awesome for just a slot difference.

The good thing about this is that since this board is built for benching, it has full support for 4 way GPUs. This means that with a good high frequency CPU, we can see many multi card benchmarks getting nice results with this board.




On this ASUS video it shows Dual SLI using slots1 & 3 at 10:08 min
3-Way ASUS GTX660 Ti Performance Overview
Edited by Buzzkill - 12/12/12 at 11:26pm
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Thanks. I found this. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
On this ASUS video it shows Dual SLI using slots1 & 3 at 10:08 min
3-Way ASUS GTX660 Ti Performance Overview

Well, I didn't find that much performance gain - but to be honest I didn't try to compare actual in game performance before I had switched the position of my second card.

I think that's interesting that after saying that there is a performance gain from dual GPU configurations not using the PLX bridge... that they then make a video using it for two cards. rolleyes.gif

Not like the difference is significant in any way so I say use whichever slot you like better (i.e. if you already have a long set of crystal links... then use slots 1&3 biggrin.gif). If interested here is what my results were doing it the 'wrong way' (with the PLX bridge) - I'm happy. Of course now that I'm not using it... I'm still happy. thumb.gif


Edited by DiGiCiDAL - 12/13/12 at 11:12am
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Well, I didn't find that much performance gain - but to be honest I didn't try to compare actual in game performance before I had switched the position of my second card.
I think that's interesting that after saying that there is a performance gain from dual GPU configurations not using the PLX bridge... that they then make a video using it for two cards. rolleyes.gif
Not like the difference is significant in any way so I say use whichever slot you like better (i.e. if you already have a long set of crystal links... then use slots 1&3 biggrin.gif). If interested here is what my results were doing it the 'wrong way' (with the PLX bridge) - I'm happy. Of course now that I'm not using it... I'm still happy. thumb.gif

Thanks. I was finding different answers. The EVGA Z77 FTW only runs Video cards at 8x in SLI with the PLX chip. Extreme looks like you can use PLX if you want to. I got my board so I can swap it out when I get some items for Performance Pcs.

I will post a CPU-Z when I can.
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Well, I didn't find that much performance gain - but to be honest I didn't try to compare actual in game performance before I had switched the position of my second card.
I think that's interesting that after saying that there is a performance gain from dual GPU configurations not using the PLX bridge... that they then make a video using it for two cards. rolleyes.gif
Not like the difference is significant in any way so I say use whichever slot you like better (i.e. if you already have a long set of crystal links... then use slots 1&3 biggrin.gif). If interested here is what my results were doing it the 'wrong way' (with the PLX bridge) - I'm happy. Of course now that I'm not using it... I'm still happy. thumb.gif

I think what he did is use the red slot for 2 way SLI and then used the PLX for 3 way SLI.
Here is the place in the video where he puts in the second card.

Notice the slot he is putting it in. Now watch him put in the third card. He had to have moved the second card first. Maybe it's just me, but it looks like he is putting the third card into the same slot he used for the second card.
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I think what he did is use the red slot for 2 way SLI and then used the PLX for 3 way SLI.
Here is the place in the video where he puts in the second card.

Notice the slot he is putting it in. Now watch him put in the third card. He had to have moved the second card first. Maybe it's just me, but it looks like he is putting the third card into the same slot he used for the second card.

The video looks like it shows JJ using only RED PCI-E slots. When he goes from 2 cards to 3 cards the 3rd card is in the same slot he used for two cards. With 3 cards it looks like the are no spaces between the cards. It looks like he never uses the Black PCI-E slot for GPU's. The watercool GPU bridges I ordered will be 3 slot model but I will most likely buy four slot bridge to try also.
Edited by Buzzkill - 12/14/12 at 5:11pm
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May I join the club?

Just got this amazing ASUS Rampage IV Extreme a couple of days ago. biggrin.gif


Thanks! Hope you like it. thumb.gif
    
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Thanks. I was finding different answers. The EVGA Z77 FTW only runs Video cards at 8x in SLI with the PLX chip. Extreme looks like you can use PLX if you want to. I got my board so I can swap it out when I get some items for Performance Pcs. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I will post a CPU-Z when I can.

Added =D welcome to the club!
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May I join the club?
Just got this amazing ASUS Rampage IV Extreme a couple of days ago. biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Thanks! Hope you like it. thumb.gif

Hey kcuestag, I'm sorry but this is actually just a Maximus V owners club =/ for the z77 board. Your board does look great but I'm not sure if it can join the club.
Edited by ANDMYGUN - 12/14/12 at 5:56pm
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