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But I still don't see why telling someone to format the USB is necessary. I am glad to find someone who is older than their overclock, now I don't feel so old.

In my line of work I'm always changing the file system on my USB drives as a quick solution to various OS requirements... sometimes they will be an EXTx / SWAP partition for a linux machine.. the next it's a boot drive for Windows.

I simply suggested adding the required file system if a format was required, for clarification of which file system they should be, some people may have previously set the USB drives to NTFS then wonder why they can see it in windows but not use it to flash their bios from the method I posted above.


As for old people... hands up if you owned an 8086 with MFM controllers biggrin.gif
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In my line of work I'm always changing the file system on my USB drives as a quick solution to various OS requirements... sometimes they will be an EXTx / SWAP partition for a linux machine.. the next it's a boot drive for Windows.

I simply suggested adding the required file system if a format was required, for clarification of which file system they should be, some people may have previously set the USB drives to NTFS then wonder why they can see it in windows but not use it to flash their bios from the method I posted above.

As for old people... hands up if you owned an 8086 with MFM controllers biggrin.gif

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I actually think I have an 8008 board somewhere in a box with 128K (I think... although it might have only been 32K) of system memory on it (which is in the form of about 70 separate chips if you include the controller...) granted I'm NOT actually old enough to have used it professionally... it was manufactured while I was in diapers I believe... but it was pulled out of service by me. biggrin.gif Had a pretty green phosphorus 80-char display on that terminal too... didn't save that however.

I would also add that although formatting may not be necessary if it's already a FAT-formatted drive - I would generally consider it a best practice as well for the following two possibilities:

1) Age of Media. A format is the easiest way (at least without hitting the command prompt or using an additional step/utility) for testing the entire drive for errors in the media... granted with flash memory this isn't as important as it was in the floppy days, but it will at least assure you that file corruption is very unlikely.

2) Incompatible Images. I usually use the same one or two drives for flashing BIOS updates to numerous machines - and although I could simply delete everything on the drive prior to copying over the image for the update... I tend to get easily distracted by all the "cool, shiny things" in and around my office and I might wind up loading the wrong one.

I guess the bottom line is that you are correct, justanoldman, in saying that it is unnecessary in many cases to reformat the thumb drive used for an update prior to writing the image to it - just as you are correct in saying that you could update through the utility without even using a thumb drive or clean booting.

All Ardalista, myself and the other previous posters are saying is that there are some best practices that can be established (and have been actually for years) which can prevent a number of the common reasons for a failure during updating.

For me personally it comes down to efficiency. Would it save time if everything goes 100% according to plan to update through Windows? Naturally. Unfortunately in my experience, everything goes 100% according to plan exactly 15.6% of the time. (And 23.7% of all statistics are completely made up). biggrin.gif

Since I flash a BIOS image only once or twice during the life of a system - or at least the life of a motherboard in a system - I don't mind taking some extra, slightly time-consuming steps to give me a better chance of success... even if my chances were pretty great in the first place. There is nothing more frustrating than bricking a piece of hardware that was perfectly functional in pursuit of that last 1% of performance - or worse, just to "see what was new" in the latest BIOS/Firmware version when it wasn't even necessary at all! redface.gif
Edited by DiGiCiDAL - 1/27/13 at 9:54am
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I posted the USB method because in my case, every time I tried to flash through AI Suite it would hang up halfway through, the computer would restart, and the motherboard would restore itself to the an old BIOS.

After trying different things, I gave up and tried the USB method. Worked like a charm, had no problems.

I had no idea how to flash a BIOS using a USB, so I actually found an older post on OCN for the process. That particular description mentioned renaming the file. IIRC renaming isn't necessary, but doing so will allow the motherboard to find the file itself.

The steps I outlined were what I had the best luck with, so that's what I shared, that's all.
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So based on the information from you guys it seems like eliminating the most variables or points of failure is the best way to go.

If that is the case, is it correct that using a USB stick, with a properly renamed file in the root directory, in the designated USB BIOS Flashback port while the computer is plugged in but not turned on, and pushing the ROG Connect button is the best way to go?

Wouldn't that eliminate the most possible problems?
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So based on the information from you guys it seems like eliminating the most variables or points of failure is the best way to go.

If that is the case, is it correct that using a USB stick, with a properly renamed file in the root directory, in the designated USB BIOS Flashback port while the computer is plugged in but not turned on, and pushing the ROG Connect button is the best way to go?

Wouldn't that eliminate the most possible problems?

For sure eliminating points of failure is the best way to go. It eliminates any possibility of Windows being a *censored* and if something does go wrong you know you have done all you can and it's then an issue for the vendor to sort out.

It's always been a personal preference of mine to flash the BIOS from a DOS environment as opposed to any of the graphical ASUS tools within Windows. I don't even like to use the bios update option within the bios.. until now I've preferred to use tools such as awdflash, but UEFI has changed the game so to speak.
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Wait a minute...
Flashing BIOS is simple and easy. I just posted the very easy and simple steps here.

No need for a USB stick, and even if you have one you don't need to format it.

If you have a USB stick simply follow the instructions of your Maximus V User Guide, or follow what Ardalista just posted. This is the method that can be used while you are building the rig and are not set up to boot yet. Or later if you can't boot for some reason.

But the easiest way, assuming you are able to boot to Windows and have AI Suite II installed is what I already posted here. I have done this at least 8 times on two different Asus boards over the last few weeks while testing things. Additionally, you can use the Tool menu of the BIOS to access EZ Flash 2, as was pointed out here, but the Windows method is easier for people new to this.

This is what I just wrote:
Download and unzip the newest BIOS from the Asus support website.

Then use AI Suite's Update button to get to ASUS Update. Click on Update BIOS from file, then browse for the file you just unzipped.

Please note that when you flash BIOS you will lose all your prior BIOS settings and saved profiles, so you will need to write them down or take a lot of screen shots if you want to remember them.

What am I missing as to what is easier than that for someone without a USB stick and is unfamiliar with BIOS?

Yeah I know, this is indeed the first thing I've tried to do before posting a thread saying I need help to flash my BIOS. As a matter of fact, ASUS update just doesn't recognize my motherboard. When I try to use it, it says "ASUS motherboard required" or "no ASUS motherboard / hardware detected" or something along those lines. I've tried uninstalling, re-installing, several versions, downgrade, upgrade, there's just no way, Asus Update just does not recognize my motherboard. I've read on several forums that this is a common issue with new Asus motherboards as Asus Update was used several years ago and it's apparently less used nowadays. Anyway bottom line, I can't use it, one way or another. So I need to go the USB stick way.
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As for old people... hands up if you owned an 8086 with MFM controllers biggrin.gif

Nope, never. But I've owned an Atari XE, an Amstrad CPC, and I used to mess with my father's 486 lol. Though I have no idea what an "MFM controller" is. and I thought I was old....
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Nope, never. But I've owned an Atari XE, an Amstrad CPC, and I used to mess with my father's 486 lol. Though I have no idea what an "MFM controller" is. and I thought I was old....

I started with the Commodore Vic 20 back in 81 and also had an Atari 2600, the next PC was the 8086 which is what I started my BBS on back in the day then what felt like millenia later got the 486 and yeah lost count after those 1st few... I still have a 486 running DOS 6.2 just for nostalgic purposes...

Oh and the MFM controller was a very early implementation of a hard drive controller for personal computers.. pre-dates almost everything except dinosaurs biggrin.gif

Anyway all the best for the pending BIOS update.
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download file on your c:\ hard drive end use ai suite " bios update from file" or go to bios end use az flash work 100% i just done yesterday
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BOIS update fixed my BSODs. If anyone is on 0702 and Windows 8, you will be plagued with issues until you update, just a heads up.
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I started with the Commodore Vic 20 back in 81 and also had an Atari 2600, the next PC was the 8086 which is what I started my BBS on back in the day then what felt like millenia later got the 486 and yeah lost count after those 1st few... I still have a 486 running DOS 6.2 just for nostalgic purposes...

Oh and the MFM controller was a very early implementation of a hard drive controller for personal computers.. pre-dates almost everything except dinosaurs biggrin.gif

Anyway all the best for the pending BIOS update.

The Atari XE was two generations after the 2600. I remember they still had 2600s in stores when we bought the XE. It was the super-duper high-tech thingy at the time. I remember doing BASIC on my CPC and waiting 30 minutes for tapes to load the game in B&W lol.

My favorite console ever in the history of video games is the NEc PC-Engine. It was the first system to include a CD-ROM, on a 8-bit console, years before the PlayStation. I still have my CoreGrafx and a couple of Duos for collection. I'm in love with these.

Anyway, offtopic.gif

Back to the Maximus Formula BIOS. Okay so I do it tomorrow whistle.gif
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