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Hi,

I just pruchased a MVF. My question is... before i install windows etc. Should i update the bios straight away to the latest version?


Most new hardware depending on when they were manufactured come with the latest bios. All bios updates, new or old, are said to increase system stability, so check to see if the one that came with your motherboard is unstable before your tweak it. I always tell people, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Go ahead and do your install. Should you find something wrong with your setup after, do some research first. If the conclusion of all inquiries point to the bios, then you could go ahead and update your bios.

Just my two cents! thumb.gif
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on this updating the BIOS question and why is it a good thing and I do it first.?

I got my V Gene 01/13 and the BIOS from it was from 03/12..
so odds are the board has been sitting in some retail storage for months before I got it, so I'm looking at almost 9 months of updates..
CPU list, RAM QVL (even though I do not stress QVL anymore), USB and SATA enhancements, updated user-interface, etc..
several boards n the past for some reason do not like SLi of CF-X at first and I have seen personally several times
a BIOS update solves that as well. (of course there can be other factors involved with that..)
but the point is a BIOS update solved it for me twice in the past.

also I like to run my OS and software installs with a slight 'predetermined by me' overclock mostly on 'auto' at first around (4.0-4.2)GHz
to see where my chip is running at voltage wise. then when the unit reboots or needs to reboot I go into the BIOS and make slight adjustments here and there.

to avoid any potential issues if possible flash the BIOS with minimal devices attached as in keyboard and mouse (if this is a build)
with a USB stick first thing and then roll on with the rest of the build / OS install.

not saying that every board should have it's BIOS flashed, but I would recommend you check your BIOS version to
see how old it is and possible enhancements from the ASUS site. also try to stay away from flashing the BIOS from within Windows....

yes the BIOS can be flashed at any time.
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3570K won't get over 3800 MHz (well now it's 4200 MHz - BUT I want 4500 !!)


After reverting to BIOS 1408 last night I was able to get my 3570k on a MVG to 4200 MHz, but when attempting 4500 MHz it failed. Member Chino suggested completely wiping my system of the Ai Suite Utility (which I find very useful) and start my OC again.

you'll see I was unsuccessful to get anything above stock 3800 MHz with BIOS 1604.

Is anyone having issues with the Ai Suite and overclocking a 3570K?
Any troubleshooting steps suggested?

You can just install the AI suite utilities you require i.e. do not install CPU level up etc.

I personally do not use AI suite because it automatically starts with windows and in task manager I find it uses 2-3% CPU utilization even if you are not using it
I use CPUZ, Real Temp and MSI Afterburner for OC monitoring during initial stability testing.
HW Monitor is another useful utility for monitoring motherboard temps but is inaccurate in other monitoring voltages

I am using 1604 to OC my 2500k I personally find it more stable than 1408 but that don't help you OC with your 3570k

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Originally Posted by ninojean View Post

Hi,

I just pruchased a MVF. My question is... before i install windows etc. Should i update the bios straight away to the latest version?


Most new hardware depending on when they were manufactured come with the latest bios. All bios updates, new or old, are said to increase system stability, so check to see if the one that came with your motherboard is unstable before your tweak it. I always tell people, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Go ahead and do your install. Should you find something wrong with your setup after, do some research first. If the conclusion of all inquiries point to the bios, then you could go ahead and update your bios.

Just my two cents! thumb.gif

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on this updating the BIOS question and why is it a good thing and I do it first.?

I got my V Gene 01/13 and the BIOS from it was from 03/12..
so odds are the board has been sitting in some retail storage for months before I got it, so I'm looking at almost 9 months of updates..
CPU list, RAM QVL (even though I do not stress QVL anymore), USB and SATA enhancements, updated user-interface, etc..
several boards n the past for some reason do not like SLi of CF-X at first and I have seen personally several times
a BIOS update solves that as well. (of course there can be other factors involved with that..)
but the point is a BIOS update solved it for me twice in the past.

also I like to run my OS and software installs with a slight 'predetermined by me' overclock mostly on 'auto' at first around (4.0-4.2)GHz
to see where my chip is running at voltage wise. then when the unit reboots or needs to reboot I go into the BIOS and make slight adjustments here and there.

to avoid any potential issues if possible flash the BIOS with minimal devices attached as in keyboard and mouse (if this is a build)
with a USB stick first thing and then roll on with the rest of the build / OS install.

not saying that every board should have it's BIOS flashed, but I would recommend you check your BIOS version to
see how old it is and possible enhancements from the ASUS site. also try to stay away from flashing the BIOS from within Windows....

yes the BIOS can be flashed at any time.
Ok, Now with 1604 AND 1501 i can't even o/c 100MHZ. It just constantly stays at 39x. My Voltage changes, but not multiplier. So.....IF YOU WANT TO UPDATE YOUR BIOS, DON'T PLAN ON OVERCLOCKING. Really fed up with Asus' b/s on this one. Flagship motherboards, and they don't even care. Reverting to 0704, see if that fixes it. Getting ready to sell this POS and buy a gigabyte board. mad.gif WAY TO GO ASUS! thumb.gif
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post #2314 of 4018
clear your CMOS and then try it again from the beginning..
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Ok, Now with 1604 AND 1501 i can't even o/c 100MHZ. It just constantly stays at 39x. My Voltage changes, but not multiplier. So.....IF YOU WANT TO UPDATE YOUR BIOS, DON'T PLAN ON OVERCLOCKING. Really fed up with Asus' b/s on this one. Flagship motherboards, and they don't even care. Reverting to 0704, see if that fixes it. Getting ready to sell this POS and buy a gigabyte board. mad.gif WAY TO GO ASUS! thumb.gif

How and where do you change your multiplier in the bios?
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Unfortunately clearing CMOS by itself does not usually work to fix the Asus bios bug, you need to reflash bios. Posted this elsewhere but it might be helpful to someone.

If you have any settings in bios that do not carry through, get stuck, or seem to change on their own then you have encountered the bug. Just reflash bios and you will be good, well good until you eventually encounter it again.

Download the bios file, use the renamer utility to name it correctly, and place the renamed file on a USB stick. Shut your machine down, but leave the power plugged in. Place the USB stick in your designated flashback usb port then hold the flashback button for three seconds until the light starts blinking. Wait a few minutes for it to finish.

Start the machine up and you are good to go. Before doing this, export your saved profiles to the usb stick because you will lose all your settings and profiles. Once the procedure is done you can reload your saved profiles from the usb. The saved profiles will work as long as you are reflashing the same bios version.

You will be able to make several changes to bios before encountering the bug again. It all depends on how much instability you create. A way to minimize that is work backwards with your vCore instead of upwards when testing. Eventually when the bug pops up again, just follow the reflash instructions again.
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A way to minimize that is work backwards with your vCore instead of upwards when testing. Eventually when the bug pops up again, just follow the reflash instructions again.

I totally agree with the above statement. Get stable first then tweak, and not the other way round.
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I totally agree with the above statement. Get stable first then tweak, and not the other way round.
I hate blue screens. Easiest way I have found to oc is to set you manual vCore higher than you think it needs for that multiplier. Run Prime95 8k tests for 15 minutes while using 90% of your available ram. Keep your Event Viewer open to watch for WHEA warnings. If that vCore passes the 15 minutes without problems, go down a notch in vCore and do it again. When you get to a vCore that doesn't pass (as in any stopped workers, any instability, or any Event Viewer occurrences) then go back up one notch and start a regular longer Prime95 test.

You avoid BSOD, and any major instability that way. You will usually get a WHEA warning before something crashes, so you have time to stop the test and try again with a higher vCore without encounter the crash that would eventually happen.
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I hate blue screens. Easiest way I have found to oc is to set you manual vCore higher than you think it needs for that multiplier. Run Prime95 8k tests for 15 minutes while using 90% of your available ram. Keep your Event Viewer open to watch for WHEA warnings. If that vCore passes the 15 minutes without problems, go down a notch in vCore and do it again. When you get to a vCore that doesn't pass (as in any stopped workers, any instability, or any Event Viewer occurrences) then go back up one notch and start a regular longer Prime95 test.

You avoid BSOD, and any major instability that way. You will usually get a WHEA warning before something crashes, so you have time to stop the test and try again with a higher vCore without encounter the crash that would eventually happen.

Now that's how you overclock. Couldn't have said it any better. +Rep thumb.gif
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Unfortunately clearing CMOS by itself does not usually work to fix the Asus bios bug, you need to reflash bios. Posted this elsewhere but it might be helpful to someone.

If you have any settings in bios that do not carry through, get stuck, or seem to change on their own then you have encountered the bug. Just reflash bios and you will be good, well good until you eventually encounter it again.

Well said...sad but true...frustrattion from top of the line mobos that were supposed to be magic tools in the hands of the enthousiast overclockers...

Like i wrote here and in several other forums...such a good piece of hardware with such silly bios problems/bugs...for 13 years my #1 pcs have asus mobos, and i always OC like a mofo...

My 2 weeks old MGV has the most problematic bios (came with the 1604) i have ever delt with...smokes my P8P67-EVO more stable voltages and better overclockability (same frequencies achieved with less vcore AND one or two levels of LLC lower).

But oh boy, i am kind of missing my EVO, i could get in the bios 100 times a day, change one to ten settings, save, exit and get on with this...shame...

That was my first ROG mobo, but it will probably be the last as well if asus continues this bios joke...
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