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Accepting the 7970 as the fastest card just is not true, and ultimately you should accept it really depends on what game you intent to play, They both trade blows in different games thumb.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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From anandtech:
Six years is a long time to wait, but patience, perseverance, and more than a few snub moves against NVIDIA have paid off for AMD. For the first time in 6 years we can say that AMD is truly competitive for the single-GPU performance crown. The Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition isn’t quite fast enough to outright win, but it is unquestionably fast enough to tie the GeForce GTX 680 as the fastest single-GPU video card in the world today
The end result is that while AMD has tied NVIDIA for the single-GPU performance crown with the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, the GeForce GTX 680 is still the more desirable gaming card. There are a million exceptions to this statement of course (and it goes both ways), but as we said before, these cards may be tied but they're anything but equal.

Noise issues aside, we’re finally seeing something that we haven’t seen for a very long time: bona fide, cut throat, brutal competition in the high-end video card segment for the fastest single-GPU video card. To call it refreshing is an understatement; it’s nothing short of fantastic. For the first time in six years AMD is truly performance competitive with NVIDIA at the high-end and we couldn't be happier.

Overclock the 7970 to 1300mhz and the GTX680 can't touch it. 1300mhz on the newer cards won't be as hard and the original. The fact that the 7970 is getting closer to the gtx680 with every driver update, and the fact that its a overclocking monster and you got the fastest card money can buy.

I wouldn't be running GTX470's if I was relaying on stock clocks, same would go for the 7970s.
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Overclock the 7970 to 1300mhz and the GTX680 can't touch it. 1300mhz on the newer cards won't be as hard and the original. The fact that the 7970 is getting closer to the gtx680 with every driver update, and the fact that its a overclocking monster and you got the fastest card money can buy.
I wouldn't be running GTX470's if I was relaying on stock clocks, same would go for the 7970s.

Overclocked 7970GE vs 680

Still depends on what game you play, And not all games were tested.......

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/18


Worth noting the power consumption and heat levels at this overclock too

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/17
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Overclocked 7970GE vs 680
Still depends on what game you play, And not all games were tested.......
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/18
Worth noting the power consumption and heat levels at this overclock too
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/17


No 7970 OC vs GTX680 OC. Clock for Clock the 7970 has already seen to come out head in most games, and thats the original with older drivers. Plus most GTX680 would have trouble getting to 1300mhz, while getting to 1300mhz on a 7970 GE would be lot easier. Plus you getting a lot more computational performance with the 7970, which is mainly the reason why the 7970 uses more power and has a bigger die in the fist place. If it was made for the soul reason to play games it would have been optimized in a totally different way. The 7970 is giving the best of both worlds while only using 20-30 more watts

AMD just needs more time to work on drivers, new architecture will take time before it's fully tweaked.
Edited by DzillaXx - 6/24/12 at 6:17am
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Overclocked 7970GE vs 680
Still depends on what game you play, And not all games were tested.......
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/18
Worth noting the power consumption and heat levels at this overclock too
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/17

clock for clock Radeon HD 7970 is faster when compared across a wide range of games. This is now proven with Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition.

Even BF3 is a close fight .goes either way. depends on the exact test case scenario.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232-8.html

1920 X 1080 Ultra 4x MSAA (tie)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - 78.66
GTX 680 - 78.40

2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA (HD 7970 Ghz edition is 7% faster)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - 48.22
GTX 680 - 44.86

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/06/21/amd_radeon_hd_7970_ghz_edition_video_card_review/4

1920 X 1080 Ultra 4x MSAA (close enough that hardocp calls a draw , but Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition has a 10% higher min fps which is significant)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 64.2 min 40
GTX 680 - avg 65.6 min 36

2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA ( close enough that hardocp calls a draw , but Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition has a 12% higher min fps which is significant)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 43.8 min 27 fps
GTX 680 - avg 42.5 min 24 fps

http://techreport.com/articles.x/23150/4

BF 2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 41 fps
GTX 680 - 40 fps

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970-3GB-GHz-Edition-Review-Taking-GTX-680/Battlefield-3

1920 X 1080 Ultra 4x MSAA ( nVIDIA win)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 69.4 min 45 fps
GTX 680 - avg 72.4 min 49 fps

2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA (HD 7970 Ghz edition is 7% faster)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 43.7 min 28 fps
GTX 680 - avg 42.6 min 27 fps

At 1600p AMD wins in 1 and is slightly ahead in the rest. Nvidia has not a single lead at 1600p which is where it matters. Because at 1080p both cards are above 60 fps.
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clock for clock Radeon HD 7970 is faster when compared across a wide range of games. This is now proven with Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition.
Even BF3 is a close fight .goes either way. depends on the exact test case scenario.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232-8.html
1920 X 1080 Ultra 4x MSAA (tie)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - 78.66
GTX 680 - 78.40
2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA (HD 7970 Ghz edition is 7% faster)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - 48.22
GTX 680 - 44.86
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/06/21/amd_radeon_hd_7970_ghz_edition_video_card_review/4
1920 X 1080 Ultra 4x MSAA (close enough that hardocp calls a draw , but Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition has a 10% higher min fps which is significant)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 64.2 min 40
GTX 680 - avg 65.6 min 36
2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA ( close enough that hardocp calls a draw , but Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition has a 12% higher min fps which is significant)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 43.8 min 27 fps
GTX 680 - avg 42.5 min 24 fps
http://techreport.com/articles.x/23150/4
BF 2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 41 fps
GTX 680 - 40 fps
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970-3GB-GHz-Edition-Review-Taking-GTX-680/Battlefield-3
1920 X 1080 Ultra 4x MSAA ( nVIDIA win)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 69.4 min 45 fps
GTX 680 - avg 72.4 min 49 fps
2560 X 1600 Ultra 4X MSAA (HD 7970 Ghz edition is 7% faster)
HD 7970 Ghz edition - avg 43.7 min 28 fps
GTX 680 - avg 42.6 min 27 fps
At 1600p AMD wins in 1 and is slightly ahead in the rest. Nvidia has not a single lead at 1600p which is where it matters. Because at 1080p both cards are above 60 fps.

You forget that the GTX680 is normally turboing at 1100-1150mhz even at stock settings. If only AMD released the 7970 GE to turbo to those speeds rolleyes.gif
Wouldn't have to wait for new drivers for it to take the lead.
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Overclock the 7970 to 1300mhz and the GTX680 can't touch it.

Wrong, as the previous owner of a HD 7970 which I had clocked stable to 1275mhz core and now own a GTX 680 I can tell you that the reviews often do not represent real world gaming performances. My GTX 680 at just 1200mhz core is faster than my old HD 7970 at 1275mhz core in many games with the exception of metro 2033. Now with that said my max clock with the GTX 680 is 1300+mhz core and at this speed there really is no comparison especially in BF3 where my 680 blows the doors off my old hd 7970.
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Wrong, as the previous owner of a HD 7970 which I had clocked stable to 1275mhz core and now own a GTX 680 I can tell you that the reviews often do not represent real world gaming performances. My GTX 680 at just 1200mhz core is faster than my old HD 7970 at 1275mhz core in many games with the exception of metro 2033. Now with that said my max clock with the GTX 680 is 1300+mhz core and at this speed there really is no comparison especially in BF3 where my 680 blows the doors off my old hd 7970.

Did you read the title of this thread, and the OP?

Did you use the new 12.7 drivers with your ''old'' 7970?

If not, your comments are useless since you are not talking about the subject at all. Sorry. rolleyes.gif
    
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No 7970 OC vs GTX680 OC. Clock for Clock the 7970 has already seen to come out head in most games, and thats the original with older drivers. Plus most GTX680 would have trouble getting to 1300mhz, while getting to 1300mhz on a 7970 GE would be lot easier. Plus you getting a lot more computational performance with the 7970, which is mainly the reason why the 7970 uses more power and has a bigger die in the fist place. If it was made for the soul reason to play games it would have been optimized in a totally different way. The 7970 is giving the best of both worlds while only using 20-30 more watts
AMD just needs more time to work on drivers, new architecture will take time before it's fully tweaked.

the 7970GE is overclocked further whilst the 680 is left standard with its normal boosting clocks

Only 20-30 watts more??


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The 7970GE was already loud at stock and overclocking it doesn’t help. Under Metro noise is now at 63.8dBA, and under OCCT it’s tied with the 6990 for noise at 66dBA. Even if you’re forgiving of noise, this is reaching the point where it’s going to be difficult to ignore. Serious 7970GE overclockers will want to seek other cards and/or aftermarket coolers.
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Wrong, as the previous owner of a HD 7970 which I had clocked stable to 1275mhz core and now own a GTX 680 I can tell you that the reviews often do not represent real world gaming performances. My GTX 680 at just 1200mhz core is faster than my old HD 7970 at 1275mhz core in many games with the exception of metro 2033. Now with that said my max clock with the GTX 680 is 1300+mhz core and at this speed there really is no comparison especially in BF3 where my 680 blows the doors off my old hd 7970.

Could you please state the games in which the GTX 680 is faster. HD 7970 is not faster in just Metro 2033. I think you haven't checked enough games.Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, Deus Ex, Alan Wake, Witcher 2, Anno 2070, Dirt Showdown. With the latest drivers even Dirt 3, Skyrim and Batman AC (8x MSAA) are faster on the new HD 7970 Ghz edition. Frankly if you are happy with your GTX 680 thats fine. But don't make a baseless statement. smile.gif
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Could you please state the games in which the GTX 680 is faster. HD 7970 is not faster in just Metro 2033. I think you haven't checked enough games.Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, Deus Ex, Alan Wake, Witcher 2, Anno 2070, Dirt Showdown, Max Payne 3 (MSAA + FXAA). With the latest drivers even Dirt 3, Skyrim and Batman AC (8x MSAA) are faster on the new HD 7970 Ghz edition. Frankly if you are happy with your GTX 680 thats fine. But don't make a baseless statement. smile.gif

your not helping......
Bottom line is they trade blows.. I know for a fact that these new drivers have some sort of optimizations which trade quality for performance from both camps, which sucks really cause all it is they're trying to do is compete with each other for the market while we the consumers have to deal with random optimizations.

In reality, there is no one crown... there is multiple crowns. If u have the card that is doing what u want it to, then by jolly it is wearing a crown !
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