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Originally Posted by specopsFI View Post

You're showing nothing new and are in fact proving my point in a lot of ways. I suppose we are coming to an agreement though not in the way you seem to think.
You provide three links for Just Cause 2, one of which shows a difference of 9.1 % on 1920 resolution (as opposed to the 7.2 % of my link) and another showing the reference 680 on even older drivers ahead of two factory OC'd 7970's. So I suppose you meant to say that we agree on GTX 680 being faster in Just Cause 2?
Then you go on and post a handful of reviews saying what I so precisely put as my closing line in my last post: 7970 is better in 2560 res and up. Good job although you didn't take as many cases as possible and didn't compare the 7970 GHz edition in all cases.
Max Payne is not similar, but there is too little data for a conclusive verdict. [H] shows GTX 680 ahead by 8.3 %. Tech Report didn't test at 1920 so no info points there.
Diablo III is easy but 7970 can't seem to get that 120 FPS. Passion Leads Army and Wargame are both new titles and as such have value that many of your AMD favouring titles are lacking.
Again: GTX 680 for 1920 and below, 7970 for above.

just cause 2 was tested with latest nvidia drivers in the first and second links i posted. according to the 2nd link GTX 680 is not faster at all even on 1080p. the thrid link is not a radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition review and was not tested with the latest nvidia drivers.

anyway here is a point I wish to make. of the most demanding games which barely hit 60 fps even at 1080p , HD 7970 simply wins more.


METRO 2033

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1962/10/ HD 7970 is 22% faster
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review/16 HD 7970 Ghz is 17.5% faster

CRYSIS WARHEAD
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/4 HD 7970 Ghz is 17% faster

DIRT SHOWDOWN
http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?cat=&id=636&pagenumber=3
1920 X 1080 Ultra 4X AA - HD 7970 (925) is 40% faster than GTX 680

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-14/benchmark-dirt-showdown.html&usg=ALkJrhgqOfv1rCaIb0xqsMoiWqCxs3VBQw
1920 X 1080 Ultra 4X AA Advanced Lighting on - HD 7970 Ghz wins by 50%

SNIPER ELITE V2
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review/23 Radeon HD 7970 Ghz is 13% faster

ALAN WAKE
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-7/benchmark-alan-wake.html&usg=ALkJrhioGOveB1gObhlirWu3GzXEzbP9Fg

1920 x 1080 Max HD 7970 Ghz is 35% faster

Witcher 2 EE

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-16/benchmark-the-witcher-2-enhanced-edition.html&usg=ALkJrhjAR4qAK9zFGU61TAtyK1gVhWicCw

1920 X 1080 Max ubersampling on - Radeon HD 7970 Ghz is 25% faster

Shogun 2 is the one game which is really faster on the GTX 680 and struggles to hit 60 fps at 1080p on the high end cards.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-17/benchmark-total-war-shogun-2.html&usg=ALkJrhiIrQ7DBVLH5TkcopVJE6tvtenU1w

GTX 680 is 12% faster than Radeon HD 7970 Ghz.

So really in the games which need that extra performance to get close to 60 fps the HD 7970 wins more games and with big margins. Frankly I don't care for a game which is doing 100+ fps at 1080p/1200p . When "push comes to shove" HD 7970 really proves itself. thumb.gif
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post #102 of 303
Both are great cards but only the 7970's allow you to overclock properly (ignoring the awesome 680 Lightning of course). My personal opinion is:

680 Lightning > 7970 Lightning > reference 7970 > reference 680
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post #103 of 303
12.7 beta gives rediculous performance on my oced 7970. It even allowed me to crank my oc up to 1260 on 12.62v!. I am still on reference cooler and its not loud enough to bother me. The best part is this beta has zero bugs for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My freind uses crossfinity and he has no more problems with it

I was using my 680 for awhile until my friend got me to try the 12.7 and he was right. I was going to sell my 7970 but thasnk god I didn't cause on 3 screens i get ALOT BETTER PERFORMANCE ON THE 7970 compared to the oced 680

ps I don't care about other ppls problems with drivers. All that matters is that it works perfect for me. I mean really! fix your comp if you have driver problems. If it works perfect for others then you MUST be doing something wrong. end of story
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post #104 of 303
All these stupid posts of benchs mean nobody knows anything. If you dont have both cards then stop trying to convince ppl

The only ppl that can argue performance are owners of both!!!!
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just cause 2 was tested with latest nvidia drivers in the first and second links i posted. according to the 2nd link GTX 680 is not faster at all even on 1080p. the thrid link is not a radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition review and was not tested with the latest nvidia drivers.
anyway here is a point I wish to make. of the most demanding games which barely hit 60 fps even at 1080p , HD 7970 simply wins more.
METRO 2033
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1962/10/ HD 7970 is 22% faster
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review/16 HD 7970 Ghz is 17.5% faster
CRYSIS WARHEAD
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-catching-up-to-gtx-680/4 HD 7970 Ghz is 17% faster
DIRT SHOWDOWN
http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?cat=&id=636&pagenumber=3
1920 X 1080 Ultra 4X AA - HD 7970 (925) is 40% faster than GTX 680
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-14/benchmark-dirt-showdown.html&usg=ALkJrhgqOfv1rCaIb0xqsMoiWqCxs3VBQw
1920 X 1080 Ultra 4X AA Advanced Lighting on - HD 7970 Ghz wins by 50%
SNIPER ELITE V2
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review/23 Radeon HD 7970 Ghz is 13% faster
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1920 x 1080 Max HD 7970 Ghz is 35% faster
Witcher 2 EE
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-16/benchmark-the-witcher-2-enhanced-edition.html&usg=ALkJrhjAR4qAK9zFGU61TAtyK1gVhWicCw
1920 X 1080 Max ubersampling on - Radeon HD 7970 Ghz is 25% faster
Shogun 2 is the one game which is really faster on the GTX 680 and struggles to hit 60 fps at 1080p on the high end cards.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-17/benchmark-total-war-shogun-2.html&usg=ALkJrhiIrQ7DBVLH5TkcopVJE6tvtenU1w
GTX 680 is 12% faster than Radeon HD 7970 Ghz.
So really in the games which need that extra performance to get close to 60 fps the HD 7970 wins more games and with big margins. Frankly I don't care for a game which is doing 100+ fps at 1080p/1200p . When "push comes to shove" HD 7970 really proves itself. thumb.gif

It seems clear you only care for those resolutions, frame rates, games, reviews, tests and opinions that give the advantage to the 7970. That don't make it the undisputed truth, though.

You can give Metro 2033, Crysis and Dirt Showdown (sigh) all the importance you want. Others may value performance in BF3, Batman AC and yes, even Wargame: EE, all of which are demanding titles struggling to get that 60 FPS even at 1920.

You can give all the credit you want for truly unplayable settings like ubersampling in Witcher 2 and none at all for getting that 120 FPS for a 120Hz monitor. That is still not the only way to think about it.

Considering this, maybe you should restrain yourself from demanding everyone to come to the same conclusion you've made regarding the 7970 and the GTX 680.
    
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post #106 of 303
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It seems clear you only care for those resolutions, frame rates, games, reviews, tests and opinions that give the advantage to the 7970. That don't make it the undisputed truth, though.

When you say tests which give HD 7970 the advantage are you conceding the GTX 680 does not perform as well when its bandwidth constrained even at 1080p.
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Considering this, maybe you should restrain yourself from demanding everyone to come to the same conclusion you've made regarding the 7970 and the GTX 680.

I don't expect anyone to tell me what conclusion I have to come to. neither do I tell anybody else to come to a particular conclusion. What you find difficult is that you may believe the GTX 680 is as fast or faster than HD 7970 while someone else clearly believe HD 7970 is faster.
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post #107 of 303
Nothing in this review tells me that the GTX 680 is slower than a 7970. Even with 12.7 installed.

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Motherboard: Gigabyte EX58-UD5
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Drivers:
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AMD 12.7 Beta

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/55064-asus-gtx-680-directcu-ii-top-review-2.html
The reference GTX 680 wins nearly all benchmarks head 2 head vs the 7970/7970 GHz. While the GTX 680 DCii sweeps nearly all benchmarks in this review.( Yeah I know it's pre-overclocked)

BF3 with
4xMSAA
314
316
Batman with 4xMSAA
314
314

Crysis 2
314
317
Deus Ex
315
314

Dirt 3
316
317

Metro 2033
315
316

Shogun 2:Total War
317
316

Skyrim
311
317

Wargame: EU Escalation
315
317

The Witcher 2
315
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post #108 of 303
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Originally Posted by PrincetonM View Post

Nothing in this review tells me that the GTX 680 is slower than a 7970. Even with 12.7 installed.
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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/55064-asus-gtx-680-directcu-ii-top-review-2.html
The reference GTX 680 wins nearly all benchmarks head 2 head vs the 7970/7970 GHz. While the GTX 680 DCii sweeps nearly all benchmarks in this review.( Yeah I know it's pre-overclocked) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
BF3 with[/B] 4xMSAA
314
316
Batman with 4xMSAA
314
314
Crysis 2
314
317
Deus Ex
315
314
Dirt 3
316
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Metro 2033
315
316
Shogun 2:Total War
317
316
Skyrim
311
317
Wargame: EU Escalation
315
317
The Witcher 2
315
317

I know that's what the site says, but I'm pretty sure you can't fit a 2600K on an X58 board ...

Anyway, as has been said a million times, it is too hard to call a clear winner with these cards. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Not to mention that the various reviews report ridiculously different results.
I stand by the statement that they trade blows depending on setup and drivers. Both teams have done a great job with their beta drivers this time round.

We can keep pulling benches and reviews back and forth but that is not going to change the opinion of anyone favoring either camp. *sigh*
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Nothing in this review tells me that the GTX 680 is slower than a 7970. Even with 12.7 installed.
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AMD 12.7 Beta
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/55064-asus-gtx-680-directcu-ii-top-review-2.html
The reference GTX 680 wins nearly all benchmarks head 2 head vs the 7970/7970 GHz. While the GTX 680 DCii sweeps nearly all benchmarks in this review.( Yeah I know it's pre-overclocked)
BF3 with
4xMSAA
314
316
Batman with 4xMSAA
314
314
Crysis 2
314
317
Deus Ex
315
314
Dirt 3
316
317
Metro 2033
315
316
Shogun 2:Total War
317
316
Skyrim
311
317
Wargame: EU Escalation
315
317
The Witcher 2
315
317

thumb.gif Nice to see some different benchmarks other than the cherry picked ones that keep popping up
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Both are great cards but only the 7970's allow you to overclock properly (ignoring the awesome 680 Lightning of course). My personal opinion is:
680 Lightning > 7970 Lightning > reference 7970 > reference 680


Overclock properly? lol. Referrence GTX 680's clock anywhere between 1200-1300mhz core without the ability to adjust voltage while the HD 7970 averages around the same frequency yet usually need voltage increases to break past 1150-1200mhz.

Point is both cards average around the same frequency on air.
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