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post #21 of 25
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@Slygamer and wevvsspot
Thank you both for the abundance of guidance you've given me.
Deciding on a GPU has been my greatest heart ache ( smile.gif ) since choosing a Mobo, the two of you's confirmation that the 570 will suit my needs is a greatly welcomed news.

My list is almost complete and in fact the only components remaining are the peripherals:
Any guidance on high quality/good value keyboards and mice geared towards an FPS player would be infinitely useful.
The Final element will be the monitor; from my own research my ideal monitor would have:

- 1920 x 1080p Display
- 2ms Response Time to remove any chance of ghosting
- 120hz refresh rate
- Around 23 inch (Variances allowed)
- Viewing angle is not particularly important
- High quality colours would be appreciated

These are ideal specifications so varied suggestions are still very much appreciated especially seeing as, once again, I am no expert so lots of suggestions will at least give me specific areas to research.
Edited by ZeroSkore - 6/25/12 at 11:56am
post #22 of 25
Well the 3570k offers only a slight benefit over the 2500k, it is true. The one exception I'll mention: If you like the Total War series (particularly Shogun 2:Total War), the 3570k (or i5-3450) will dramatically outperform the i5-2500k. Something about the new ivy bridge instruction set. So far as I know, that's the only game for which the massive boost in performance comes into play.

As for budget, I'll be the last to recommend you spend more than you have available - the difference in playing a game set to 'medium' graphics and one set to 'ultra' graphics just isn't that big, in my opinion.

But I DO like cost-effectiveness. And for most games, spending more on GPU makes sense IF you can reduce the cost of other parts of the build. Such as by not overclocking.

For instance: get an i5-3450 instead of an i5-2500k and an H77 or B75 motherboard instead of something that can overclock, and totally skip an after-market cooler. You'll get slightly lower CPU speed (no overclock), but this won't generally come into play for gaming. But you'll save 100 pounds or so (overclocking costs money), which can be put in pocket... or spent on a better GPU - and that 100 pounds if spent on GPU will create a superior benefit than overclocking a CPU will - for gaming. Putting the savings in your pocket makes perfect sense to me. But spending a lot for minor increases in CPU performance at the expense of spending on GPU doesn't. Given you have a gaming focus.

Also, one bright point: Even a 570 is a pretty snazzy video card. You're actually building a pretty high end computer when it comes to single-screen gaming.

Edit: As for keyboard, for me any cheapo keyboard does fine, I don't really bother to spend more here. On mouse my favorite is my mionix naos 3200 (ergonomic comfort, good gaming accuracy). I've also heard that the CM storm spawn is a pretty good mouse for the price. But I'm an RTS player, and I don't know the prices in the UK. Your results may vary.
Edited by MisterFred - 6/25/12 at 1:07pm
    
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post #23 of 25
As for monitor, the ideal monitor you're looking at is a Benq xl2420t (or tx, if you want the 3d glasses). It's one of the most highly regarded 120hz monitors, and it's 3d works with nvidia rather than AMD. Unfortunately, it's also really expensive (260 pounds at amazon), and you need a graphics card powerful enough to push games at well above 60 frames per second for the 120hz to be of any use to you (e.g., low graphics settings or the 670 instead of 570). So I don't really recommend it.

In general, you're looking at one of these three options:
Some random 22-23" monitor that looks ok in the store (cheapest).

A quality 23" IPS screen that will be 60hz but have excellent color, viewing angle, and construction (mid-range pricing. example: Dell Ultrasharp u2312hm, Asus ProArt PA238Q - one of these monitors is probably what I'd recommend depending on pricing). There are no 120hz IPS monitors, so if you want the better color, you have to give up the 120hz. The dell should be about 170 pounds.

A 24" 120hz non-IPS monitor - specifically the Benq xl2420 (NOT the 2410, which is actually pretty bad due to implementation of certain technologies).

By the way, gtg (grey to grey) response time measurements are pretty variable and not a good judge of actual responsiveness & ghosting. Some monitors that advertise 2ms or whatever response time are actually pretty bad for gaming (for example, the Benq 2410 I mentioned.
Edited by MisterFred - 6/25/12 at 1:18pm
    
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Yeah, the inaccuracy of GTG measurements is the reason I specified the 2ms response time because a 2ms GTG will usually have at least a decent BTB as even highly inaccurate GTG's usually aren't less than a third of the BTB so a 2ms GTG measurement usually equates to something in the 5-10ms range when it comes to full colour response times which is perfectly acceptable for me.

Fortunately I have no interest in a 3D monitor. When "at home" 3D technology improves a fair bit I will probably invest in a 3D TV for movies but 3D gaming doesn't interest me at all so that makes monitors a hell of a lot more affordable.

Alas, this is counter balanced by my preference for fast paced FPS titles which in my experience are greatly improved by having a good keyboard + mouse set-up. Fortunately Razer and CM Storm have some very good and relatively inexpensive User Inputs so I think I'm set there. Finally, with your recommendations with regard to monitors and some further research myself I can happily say that I have finalised my First Gaming PC Build.

I must give a whole-hearted thank you to everyone who has helped me with this build, I couldn't have done it without all of you. So, I guess this is goodbye, thanks once again for helping me build a PC more powerful than I ever thought possible on my budget.

Thank you for the last time thumb.gif
post #25 of 25
Zero - if you are wanting a pretty inexpensive non-mechanical keyboard that still kind of falls into the "gamer" category I highly recommend Microsoft's Sidewinder X4. It isn't a mechanical keyboard (you'll pay more than double for a good mechanical keyboard), but it does have Macro capabilities, very good red backlighting (by individual key - no backlight bleed through). It isn't fancy, and certainly isn't the best keyboard you can buy, but for the money it really is hard to beat.

As for a mouse, man that is such a personal preference (much like a keyboard), but I really like my Razer DeathAdder. Kind of on the pricey side, but not insanely expensive.
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial C300 128Gb x2 RAID0  SK Hynix SH910 128Gb x2 RAID0 Western Digital Black Edition 1Tb Western Digital Black Edition 640Gb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Asus DVD / Bluray LG Bluray / Burner Custom H20 - Swiftech, XSPC Windows 7 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer P243Waid Razer Black Widow Ultimate Corsair HX1000 Corsair C70 White Edition 
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