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Suggest you start a new bright white thread here and in waterpool forum for the great whites.

I am doing just that actually! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Premium-Magnetic-Levitation-CO-9050041-WW/dp/B01G5I6MUW


I think the GT's might ACTUALLY have some competition from these. They got rid of the stupid round design that didn't seal on rads properly, they updated design of the blades to provide just as good static pressure but with higher CFM, added multiple changeable anti-vibration mounts on the corners (in white! thumb.gif ), and they use MAGNETIC LEVITATING bearing technology to reduce the annoying motor tick sound that most good fans are plagued with due to the actual air noise being gone making it more noticeable. And of course they have optional versions with LED's....(in white! drool.gif )

I got three of them for now....kinda regretting not snatching up a 4th honestly....but i'm not loaded here and they are $27 fans. I can use my current SP120's on the 480 rad for now, and put these on my 360 rad; prolly gonna get three of the NB E-loop 140's for my 420 rad to finish things off. Then at the very least i'll have decent to good fans on every rad space location (currently i only have the four SP120 and two junk fans on it, the rest is empty "passive rad" space, which kinda explains my high temps lol)

Really looking forward to trying these fans, looks like Corsair is FINALLY stepping up their fan game...

And If they turn out to be duds (i dunno, something about these oozes "better-than-last-time" quality lol) then i'l just be the sacrificial guinea-pig for the thread right? wheee.gifwheee.gifwheee.gif
Edited by DarkIdeals - 7/2/16 at 1:36am
 
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post #2012 of 2742
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I am doing just that actually! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Premium-Magnetic-Levitation-CO-9050041-WW/dp/B01G5I6MUW


I think the GT's might ACTUALLY have some competition from these. They got rid of the stupid round design that didn't seal on rads properly, they updated design of the blades to provide just as good static pressure but with higher CFM, added multiple changeable anti-vibration mounts on the corners (in white! thumb.gif ), and they use MAGNETIC LEVITATING MOTORS to reduce the annoying motor tick sound that most good fans are plagued with due to the actual air noise being gone making it more noticeable. And of course they have LED's....(in white! drool.gif )

I got three of them for now....kinda regretting not snatching up a 4th honestly....but i'm not loaded here and they are $27 fans. I can use my current SP120's on the 480 rad for now, and put these on my 360 rad; prolly gonna get three of the NB E-loop 140's for my 420 rad to finish things off. Then at the very least i'll have decent to good fans on every rad space location (currently i only have the four SP120 and two junk fans on it, the rest is empty "passive rad" space, which kinda explains my high temps lol)

Really looking forward to trying these fans, looks like Corsair is FINALLY stepping up their fan game...

And If they turn out to be duds (i dunno, something about these oozes "better-than-last-time" quality lol) then i'l just be the sacrificial guinea-pig for the thread right? wheee.gifwheee.gifwheee.gif

Interesting.

Sorry you are the guinea pig. helpinghand.gif

The old adage "Don't believe what you hear and only half of or what you see" comes to mind .. It's becoming near impossible to tell a real recorded video from a computer generated one. tongue.gif

I've seen far too many hyped up new releases go pear shaped as soon as they reach end-users' hands to buy anything before known competent testers and reviewers as well as us, the consumer, use them. I mean actual production run product testing, not pre-release test samples. We all know these are not really Corsiar fans, even if they did part of the research and design. Some third-party is manufacturing them, and we all now how that can easily great pre-release sample test results become a fiasco of problems in released product .. like all the problems EK had with their Vardar fans, Corsair with the H110 recall, H100 pump and control issues, their TX series PSUs with "ultra-quiet fan" that could be heard 2-3 meters away at idle that was know for years before they changed it to not run at all at idle, etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate corsail, but I'm definitely not believing their advertising hype .. and that goes for at least 9 out of ten of the other companies out there.
Edited by doyll - 7/2/16 at 1:14am
post #2013 of 2742
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Interesting.
But I've seen far too many new releases go pear shaped to buy anything before known competent testers and reviewers use them. I mean actual production run product testing, not pre-release test samples. We all know these are not really Corsiar fans, even if they did part of the research and design. Some third-party is manufacturing them, and we all now how that can easily great pre-release sample test results become a fiasco of problems in released product .. like all the problems EK had with their Vardar fans, Corsair with the H110 recall, H100 pump and control issues, their TX series PSUs with "ultra-quiet fan" that could be heard 2-3 meters away at idle that was know for years before they changed it to not run at all at idle, etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate corsail, but I'm definitely not believing their advertising hype .. and that goes for at least 9 out of ten of the other companies out there.


Yeah i agree, you never know till testing is out. But i needed fans, and choices for white fans are pretty limited; specifically quiet ones with good static pressure. My only choice really is the EK F4ER all whites which are kinda known for having motor tick noise (and like you said EK has had issues throughout the releases over all the vadars to some degree), so when i saw these i thought it was quite interesting. You must admit a magnetic levitating motor design would indeed reduce noise, and i spoke to some people who were at computex and read some initial review info about them saying they were quite quiet even with nearly 30 of them running at once at the booth even at the quieter hours without many people making noise in the area etc..

The only reason the SP120's weren't a top tier fan was pretty obvious

A) They had a rather bizarre shape, even for a round fan; which has notoriously caused a bad "seal" around a radiator, causing air-leaking that as you can imagine lowered the actual airflow and static pressure going through the rad itself, and thus deteriorated performance overall.

B) They had a "slightly" inferior overall CFM rating and at real low RPM the static pressure wasn't QUITE up to par with the better fans out there.

C) In order to combat "problem B" you would simply raise the RPM to ~1300+ as an example, but that would result in them losing a fair bit of the quietness they were known for at their sub-1000 and even ~1000-1200rpm ranges. You had the SP120 Quiet Editions that gave low noise at the expense of max CFM/MMH2O presure, and then you had the SP120 High Performance which eschewed quietness in the form of added motor and air noise in order to make up that lost pressure/airflow. So it was a catch22....neither fan had "everything" like quality pressure optimized fans like the Gentle Typhoon do.


This design "appears" to fix all these issues at least somewhat. They have a very practical square-esque shape like pretty much all the top tier SP optimized 120's do, with blades that do a pretty good job of covering edge to edge (of course not like the NB E-loop with its crazy connected blade stuff but hey not everyone is so artistic lol), while still maintaining some contours to the housing which Corsair has said in the past is partly responsible for their secret sauce of good pressure optimized fans: which should solve Problem A of the SP120's, the bad seal on radiators.

The fans are PWM with a very large rpm range of 400-2400rpm and redesigned blades that tout higher on paper CFM and SP max ratings (at least iirc) which should solve problem B.

They have the magnetic levitating design which will definitely result in at least marginally quieter operating noise, helping solve problem C, allowing you to crank these to, say maybe ~1,500rpm and still only be as loud as SP120's were at ~1000-1100rpm perhaps.


Of course it could turn out they're just a giant gimmick, but thats why i said i'll be the guine-pig of the forum for a bit. I can always return them within the 30 day amazon return period if they aren't decent. And plus, if they are better than the SP120 but not quite on par with like the GT's and Vadar etc.. i could always sell my four SP120's or something and keep these as an upgrade both in performance and aesthetics (white leds and white grommets!!!) over the 120's, and get some GT's, vardars, or NB e-loops etc.. for the rest of the rig.
 
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Yeah i agree, you never know till testing is out. But i needed fans, and choices for white fans are pretty limited; specifically quiet ones with good static pressure. My only choice really is the EK F4ER all whites which are kinda known for having motor tick noise (and like you said EK has had issues throughout the releases over all the vadars to some degree), so when i saw these i thought it was quite interesting. You must admit a magnetic levitating motor design would indeed reduce noise, and i spoke to some people who were at computex and read some initial review info about them saying they were quite quiet even with nearly 30 of them running at once at the booth even at the quieter hours without many people making noise in the area etc..

The only reason the SP120's weren't a top tier fan was pretty obvious

A) They had a rather bizarre shape, even for a round fan; which has notoriously caused a bad "seal" around a radiator, causing air-leaking that as you can imagine lowered the actual airflow and static pressure going through the rad itself, and thus deteriorated performance overall.

B) They had a "slightly" inferior overall CFM rating and at real low RPM the static pressure wasn't QUITE up to par with the better fans out there.

C) In order to combat "problem B" you would simply raise the RPM to ~1300+ as an example, but that would result in them losing a fair bit of the quietness they were known for at their sub-1000 and even ~1000-1200rpm ranges. You had the SP120 Quiet Editions that gave low noise at the expense of max CFM/MMH2O presure, and then you had the SP120 High Performance which eschewed quietness in the form of added motor and air noise in order to make up that lost pressure/airflow. So it was a catch22....neither fan had "everything" like quality pressure optimized fans like the Gentle Typhoon do.


This design "appears" to fix all these issues at least somewhat. They have a very practical square-esque shape like pretty much all the top tier SP optimized 120's do, with blades that do a pretty good job of covering edge to edge (of course not like the NB E-loop with its crazy connected blade stuff but hey not everyone is so artistic lol), while still maintaining some contours to the housing which Corsair has said in the past is partly responsible for their secret sauce of good pressure optimized fans: which should solve Problem A of the SP120's, the bad seal on radiators.

The fans are PWM with a very large rpm range of 400-2400rpm and redesigned blades that tout higher on paper CFM and SP max ratings (at least iirc) which should solve problem B.

They have the magnetic levitating design which will definitely result in at least marginally quieter operating noise, helping solve problem C, allowing you to crank these to, say maybe ~1,500rpm and still only be as loud as SP120's were at ~1000-1100rpm perhaps.


Of course it could turn out they're just a giant gimmick, but thats why i said i'll be the guine-pig of the forum for a bit. I can always return them within the 30 day amazon return period if they aren't decent. And plus, if they are better than the SP120 but not quite on par with like the GT's and Vadar etc.. i could always sell my four SP120's or something and keep these as an upgrade both in performance and aesthetics (white leds and white grommets!!!) over the 120's, and get some GT's, vardars, or NB e-loops etc.. for the rest of the rig.
Well, at the end of the day we can always agree that at least they look nice. tongue.gif
post #2015 of 2742
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Well, at the end of the day we can always agree that at least they look nice. tongue.gif


lol, indeed we can cheers.gif


Really looking forward to seeing these Pro model with the white LEDs in my system.


I'll report some numbers once i change these fans in so you guys can get a rough amateur-tested idea of how they perform compared to the SP120's etc.. and my Noctua NF-F12 2000rpm Indust. ones.
 
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post #2016 of 2742
Finally satisfied with some fans the darkside gt 1850 pwm-s arrived and they sound exactly as I remembered, pleasant.
post #2017 of 2742
Greetings guys. Recently i stumbled upon a problem with my fans. I had replaced them with 3 silent ones and everything was running cool and quiet untill i decided i want to OC my CPU a little.
Long storry short turns out when i put heavy load on stock i run above the normal temperatures.
Eventually i replaced the new ones - Fractal design silent series R2/3 with my old fans that run on max 2k rpm NB-BlackSilentFan
120mm but they are atm running a bit loud because they are old thus i am looking for new fans.

Unfortunately i looked up the top like 10 fans but none fo them is available to my country frown.gif

I am interested if you can estimate if a specific fan i am looking at will be providing enough performance for it's low price smile.gif
ZALMAN ZM-F3-FDB
there are other zalamans in the test but this one isn't and i saw one of the zalmans with similar name is close to the silent series R2/3 and if that is the case it will be pointless to do anything
Found a testing bench that says that this particular zalaman has good static pressure but i am unaware of how that compares to the 2k RPM NB's that are still working.
I'd love to keep the NB's but one of them is working but the board is not detecting it so i guess is running on low below 2k rpm (is there any workaround into fixing that)


Another option that is rly half the price of the above 2 that seems fair is DeepCool WIND BLADE 120 according to the specs it has 1300 RPM with 65.16CFM

help frown.gif

I did some more research the tester here http://www.legitreviews.com/zalman-zm-f3-fdb-zm-sf3-120mm-cooling-fan-review_1485/5 states 2.65 static pressure for that Zalman fan and according to the specs on the Noice Blocker i have at 2k rpm it has 2.79
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post #2018 of 2742
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Greetings guys. Recently i stumbled upon a problem with my fans. I had replaced them with 3 silent ones and everything was running cool and quiet untill i decided i want to OC my CPU a little.
Long storry short turns out when i put heavy load on stock i run above the normal temperatures.
Eventually i replaced the new ones - Fractal design silent series R2/3 with my old fans that run on max 2k rpm NB-BlackSilentFan
120mm but they are atm running a bit loud because they are old thus i am looking for new fans.

Unfortunately i looked up the top like 10 fans but none fo them is available to my country frown.gif

I am interested if you can estimate if a specific fan i am looking at will be providing enough performance for it's low price smile.gif
ZALMAN ZM-F3-FDB
there are other zalamans in the test but this one isn't and i saw one of the zalmans with similar name is close to the silent series R2/3 and if that is the case it will be pointless to do anything
Found a testing bench that says that this particular zalaman has good static pressure but i am unaware of how that compares to the 2k RPM NB's that are still working.
I'd love to keep the NB's but one of them is working but the board is not detecting it so i guess is running on low below 2k rpm (is there any workaround into fixing that)


Another option that is rly half the price of the above 2 that seems fair is DeepCool WIND BLADE 120 according to the specs it has 1300 RPM with 65.16CFM

help frown.gif

I did some more research the tester here http://www.legitreviews.com/zalman-zm-f3-fdb-zm-sf3-120mm-cooling-fan-review_1485/5 states 2.65 static pressure for that Zalman fan and according to the specs on the Noice Blocker i have at 2k rpm it has 2.79
Fractal R2/R3 are only good for light cooling on cases.
What I see missing is what temps are you getting that are above normal?

To get a better idea, need to know your case (fan orientation and how many)
What is your CPU/GPU and the heatsinks used?
    
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PCfans.jpg 997k .jpg file I was only asking about the fans as i am not sure if the specs those guys put on their sites actually are real. I can see the fractal silent ones ... and they were silent at 1200/900 rpm were not rly doing what i needed them to i am using a Thermalright Inferno IFX-14 CPU old one on a FX 8350 + M5A99FX PRO R2.0 and after lurking here for 1-2 months for news about the RX 480 eventually i decided that i can play with OC on the FX while waiting for partherns to release their versions of the RX since aparently the refference is kind a too noisy - bad cooling.

So i tried some OC booted and went in to check my temps but as soon as i loaded the CPU at 8x100% cores it reachd 60-61-62-63C (reached it for 4-5min) so i stopped it asap and went back and removed the OC. Logged back in and similar temps frown.gif so first thought is that i messed the thermal paste checked in didn't had any left called a friend at 9 pm friday night to open his shop and get me a good quality tube .... applied carefull temps were still going up even thou slightly slower (for 6 min reached 62) and then i thought it's the heatsink maybe opened the case and had my hand there to feel if it delivers heat up while i load the CPU ... and it's fins were getting hotter but .... i noticed or DIDN'T notice air moving even thou the fans were working at max frown.gif


the case is big old branded "spire" smile.gif but has been ok for years. I have a fan at front bottom for suction then 1 on the thermalright and one in the back.
After i noticed the problematic air i removed the 2 fractals 2/3 without the one in the front because i have to remove all the drives cables and stuff to reach it as it's behind the drives bay and put my 3 old fans noiseblocker 120mm nb-blacksilentfan xlp pwm they are still working one of them is not being registered by the MB has some issue on the fan i guess but they are no longer silent as they used to be when i bought them... i can hear the bearings frown.gif - hence i replaced them this winter with the Fractals R2/R3 but aparently i was stupid because i thought that they will be doing similar job

with the NB's (that i put 1 at the back case and 2 on the thermalright (because one wasn't registering and i just strapped the 2-nd one there and plugged the first in an optional jack to not get errors
Now on Full 100% load the CPU is running at 45C for 15-20min with no change.

Oh fan orientation will mark with red where the front fan is on the picture and it is sucking while the other 3 are blowing towards the back to get the air out.

I am tempted to get 3 new NB's i found them for 11 Eu each on a retailer here but those 3 i have have worked for not more than 2-3 years or less about 10h a day and they are atm at 1500 rpm sounding like if they were on 2500 frown.gif the Zalman ZM-F3-FDB i found is even cheaper 9 Eu and that test there shows it at 2.65 static pressure at max rpm that is 1500 and that soinds great compared to the 2.79 of the NB at 2000 Rpm further more the zalman he says at full load is 23 db and that could mean slightly less airflow than the NB's but at sound level of the Fractals (R2 is hydraulic bearing aswell)

So am hoping for imput if that 2.65 static pressure would be sufficient to replace the noise blocker
Even thou the NB's specs state they provide slightly more airflow and static pressure than the Zalman i am more inclined to trust the bench results from that test i linked in my previous comment.
the Zalman that is being tested in the OP post at the start of this thread is not the same

P.S. on the picture - the power cables are kind a short to reach everywhere as i replaced that PSU a few weeks ago on a rush on a saturday because my old one died tongue.gif And this new one has short cables frown.gif
also the HDD on the bottom is there because it's #8 and the Board's 8-th sata conector is at the back some sort of strange double standard smile.gif But it's an old 200GB drive that i use to download stuff before i move it to other drives. temps on all the HDD on iddle right now with the Fractal being the fan at the front of the chasis are: from 27C to 40C
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We do have issues and it is not the fans.
The main problem is your case. So replacing your fans is going to do little to change your temps.

The front fan does nothing for airflow, the HDD cage blocks airflow. Also wiring is also restricting airflow.
With the type of system you have, you need a new case that can cool your system.
Those temps are normal for 100% load. That is quiet a bite of HDD, maybe go less with larger space.
If you get a new case, most have limited HDD space.

If you see my case and build you will notice much better airflow.
    
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